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Twingo Adey's Twingo GT (F4R+T 2.0ltr engine swap)

Managed to bag the rs133 front wishbones, hubs, driveshafts, arb and rack along with the rear disc/hub setup with a hope that I can make it all fit the GT. It was all dropped off and deal done in a trade for some work on the chaps RS133. Springs all round, removal of some stuck bolts and a fresh set of plugs thrown in (y)

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The rear drums on mine are getting noisy on braking so assuming I'm out of shoe. Trying to convert the rear to disc will be the first part of it. Then hopefully the front afterwards. Hopefully it will fit and not cause the wheels to hit the arches..... I do run 20mm spacers all round currently so wont need to run them afterwards. I've ran the same wheels on an rs133 previously so shouldn't have too many problems as the RS body is only wider due to the add on arches on top of the standard Twingo body.

As a side note I have a 182 rear setup sat here too, check the difference and how the rs133 is wider than the 182. Measures up at 46mm wider each side!

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Is the rack different?!
 
Rears on in a fashion, well to be fair its a really simple swap, bolt on. It adds a lot of width though.... The old hubs and the new ones all bolt on from the rear which is nice compared to the 172 items that you need to remove the disc to get to the countersunk bolts (which for me always round off) I was lacking one handbrake cable and one abs sensor from the setup so they are on order. I did try using a 182 handbrake cable but it was too long and the abs sensor is a different fitment in the hub. Same on the main connector though which is nice. I've moved and reused the oem brake pipe to suit but I will replace it soon so it has the flexi in there. Not really tested it as I'm waiting for a Whiteline rear arb to turn up but ill give it a few miles and then re bleed the brakes, So far it feels fine on the blitz around the block (y)

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That looks a lot wider. Is that with or without the 20mm spacers? Arches next?


No spacers fitted, Arches will be the last option I go for. Id rather rebuild it into a facelift RS than have the arches on this tbh.
 
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Im wondering if i should get some material machined off my hubs so it sits more under the arch
Just been having a similar discussion with @Brigsy, he suggested that the mk3 clio parts may be narrower.

That said I have ran this same wheel setup on a 133 with coilovers, the arches on them are fitted on top of the same body essentially and I don't remember having issues with it catching on that 🤷‍♂️ we will see, ill get out and abuse it a little.
 
Seems the arches aren't on top and Renault make a hash job of fitting them! Though there it doesn't look like there that much more clearance.

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Also recieved the whiteline rear arb, might go fit it once the kids are in bed

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So the wheels at the back are a touch too wide, they kiss the bumper on compression so ideally I need to run a different offset wheel. I could go for machining of the hubs but I think I will also have issues at the front when I get around to that. Different offset wheels would be a better option, I have someone checking out some facelift rs133 non cup alloys next week which look like they will give 12mm of extra clearance, coming in at 16 x 7j et55 vs my current 15 x 7j et43 (y)

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On to the front setup. My initial plan was to run the rs133 wishbones and arb with the GT Hubs but due to the ball joint design I have to run the RS133 hubs. I didn't have the brakes with this setup so needed to sort some. Turns out Renault being Renault fitted some hefty calliper from the Laguna. Available without the RS tax that some parts have. Luckily someone close by was breaking one so both front brake callipers were had for not much outlay after checking they were the correct ones. I've given them a quick clean and lick with some left over titanium silver I had in a can. I'm awaiting a ball joint and tool to replace one and once that's here I can look at fitting the whole RS front end. It should end up with the steering rack (need to check part numbers to see if its different), wishbones, arb, hubs and brakes. I will need to look at adding a drop link bracket to the coilovers still but that's shouldn't be too hard.

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Just as a reference post, brake pad size by area.

Twingo GT 100x65mm 6500mm²,
Clio 172 128x55.4mm 7091.2²,
Peugeot 206gti 180/hdi 137x57mm 7809mm² ,
RS133/Laguna 156x67mm 10,452mm²
 
So I've made a start on the rest of the swap even though I haven't got all the bits needed yet. Its all going well though so far I think..... Looking at it if you fit this engine with a jr5 box into an RS133 you would have no need to make a driveshaft like I did. Everything so far has been a like for like bolt on replacement. The wishbones look to be around 30/35mm wider and the shafts measure the same increase vs my old ones. I still need to whip off and swap the arb and steering rack. I had a few people send videos of the amount of lock to lock they have and though there isn't much in it the RS133 looks to have a slightly quicker rack. The only "pmt mod" I've done so far was to sleeve/bush the shock bolt holes in the hub. The GT runs m12 bolts but the hub is designed for m14. For now I've made some bushings to take up the slack so I can continue to use my current coilovers but if I were to replace them id now order some RS133 specific items. Here's some pics and thanks for reading (y)

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Id like to see if there are any differences between 133 shock mounting holes compared to 182 cup ones, the spacing is 60mm on both but would one have more camber than the other
 
Id like to see if there are any differences between 133 shock mounting holes compared to 182 cup ones, the spacing is 60mm on both but would one have more camber than the other
there might be something done with camber as you say, the upper shock mounting points are in the same place clio to twingo, but with the twingo being wider they would have to loose it somewhere
 
So where are we up too, everything is on and fitted. I still have a few jobs to wrap up like filling the gearbox and test driving the car but so far it all looks as if it will work. I accidentally ended up with a big brake upgrade in the process. The RS133 shares the brake callipers with the Laguna, it doesn't share the carriers which I also bought. The RS133 has 280mm discs the same as the 172 and the Laguna has a few options (280,300 & 305 I think) I did a little digging and found an old post regarding it on cliosport.net saying you can use the Scenic 300mm discs with this setup. So that's what I did (y)

Whilst under the car I fitted everything else I had that was RS133 specific. The arb which is always a dick to do job. I slapped in the steering rack after being sent some videos of the throw on the wheel (GT vs RS133) though after fitting it I cant tell the difference tbh. I could of probably gotten away with just fitting the arms off it to the current steering rack. One of the ball joints was knackered on the Aluminium arms to so I ordered a new one and the tool to fit it...... What a dick of a job that was! ended up down a mates garage and even after heat and welding we had to drill and cut the old one to get it out! wont be doing that again in a hurry.

I wanted to keep using my current coilovers for now, 1, I like them for road use and 2, it was cheaper to keep them rather than replace them with RS specific items. The hub mounting on them has a slotted lower hole so seems to fit both the 58mm spacing of the GT hub and the 60mm of the RS, though the slots are made for 12mm bolts. The RS133 has 14mm. As I am using RS hubs I sleeved them down to 12mm, something that used to be done regularly when hub swapping old Nissan 200sx's. Next thing I had to do was add a tab for the drop link to the coilover body. No biggy, just bent and curved some spare metal and welded it to the body slowly as to not put too much heat into them.

Next issue after fitting it all was the wheels, I tried fitting the OZ F1s up to the front and they didn't clear the brakes (this was when I originally realised id fudged up the brakes a little) I was already on the hunt for some different offset wheels but @Jezer101 leant me his old 16x7 et45 Team Dynamics 1.2s (y) they went on and cleared everything nicely. After a little pestering he agreed to sell them to me so that's now sorted. I need some tires all round and a bit of a tidy up but the car now rolls.

I've also received a replica Cup spoiler, I think its really changes the shape of the car, the whole thing looks pretty aggressive when mixed with the bigger wheels. I gave it a quick lash with some satin black to see how it looked but will give it a better prep and paint over the next week before final fitting. Once I have spanner checked everything ill try and get a little test drive video together.

So in conclusion I've now created a completely Frankenstein/Heinz 57 Twingo GT. GT Shell, RS133 suspension components, Laguna brakes, Modus gearbox and a Megane r26/Laguna GT205 engine. The rear beam is original (matches the 172) and so is the paint and interior panels though it also has RS133 seats.... :D Thanks for reading (y)



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