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Twingo Adey's Twingo GT (F4R+T 2.0ltr engine swap)
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Should hopefully be sound from here on and you’ll fall in love with it again. Did watch you turn it over and prove the engine the other night too 
YamYamRob
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Just a nice 225 to 250 eh adey!So if the dopes engine build/gearbox swap was Project Lockdown 1, that would make this silly idea the Project Lockdown 3??
Take one perfectly fine and useable twingo and make it unusable.
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Buy an unseen but so say good condition and near complete F4R784 which is a Laguna GT205 engine and then try and figure out the cheapest and easiest way to make it fit. Most of it I think I have sorted/planned now. Not looking for mega power, a nice useable 225 to 250bhp would be nice to try and keep the pikey build from exploding. The light chassis should make it quite fun to use. The engine spins by hand so ill give it a cursory look over, but should be fine for the twingo and being from a laguna im going with its not been beat on as if it was in a meg
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Next up will be stripping it back and putting anything i don't need on ebay to offset the cost and then raiding the Renault parts bin for parts to make it work in the twingoThis will be a budget/pikey build as mine always are
Its getting there slowly, need to put some miles on it now. fitted a new (second hand) john ashley exhaust today. The car idles like a pig/rx7 but it seems to drive nicely and is still very eager to go. Mapping is a month off yet but as long as it all holds together ill give it some laps at the cliosport festival
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Braps!! 
So it's been pretty much 2 months since cracking a ringland and taking the car off the road. I've been pretty crappy with the updates, I keep forgetting to record anything or take pics as I've been popping out and doing bits when I've found the time or energy in-between work and life. Anyway the engine seems to be working so far, it hasn't exploded in its first 10miles 
It's all in the bay and running just about, idle is abit crap but it cruises along smooth enough that i can bosh the miles on and bed the rings in. I think I'll give it a few hundred miles then drop the oil for some fully synthetic. Thanks to @Brigsy for the heads up on the miller's running in oil which came in at the same price of some no name stuff. It seems to be holding all its fluids fine and isn't breathing heavy at all so I'm expecting it to be a good one with decent comp. Fingers crossed it all goes well and holds together ready for mapping in June. So far it's been up and down the local roads with some load on to help push the rings out but not many revs. I'll slowly increase everything over the next few days and pray. Managed to give it a rinse down too, doesn't scrub up too bad.
Engine thrown back together with
Meg 250 rods and pistons
172 camshafts
1.9mm cometic mls headgasket
it'll be mapped up with meg 250 map sensors and possibly the 250 injectors.
320bhp here we come (crosses fingers and toes)
It's all in the bay and running just about, idle is abit crap but it cruises along smooth enough that i can bosh the miles on and bed the rings in. I think I'll give it a few hundred miles then drop the oil for some fully synthetic. Thanks to @Brigsy for the heads up on the miller's running in oil which came in at the same price of some no name stuff. It seems to be holding all its fluids fine and isn't breathing heavy at all so I'm expecting it to be a good one with decent comp. Fingers crossed it all goes well and holds together ready for mapping in June. So far it's been up and down the local roads with some load on to help push the rings out but not many revs. I'll slowly increase everything over the next few days and pray. Managed to give it a rinse down too, doesn't scrub up too bad.Engine thrown back together with
Meg 250 rods and pistons
172 camshafts
1.9mm cometic mls headgasket
it'll be mapped up with meg 250 map sensors and possibly the 250 injectors.
320bhp here we come (crosses fingers and toes)
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Duncan Grier
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Been going for the light throttle with a few psi building slow cruises up to 85ish then coasting down to 65 all the way in today. All behaving so far. Will drop out the oil after a couple of hundred miles and then give it some more. Will slap the laptop in later and do some logging to make sure its safe
Carlstwingo
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Hi Adey my name is Carl. I’m looking to do a f4rt. Conversion soon but I need some advice would you be kind enough to point me in the right direction as I’ve bought a f4rt 787 engine With AUTO box but I don’t know if it is the correct engine for the build
I think that may be the 170bhp version. Do you have any pictures? Especially the turbo serial number and the injectors @Carlstwingo
Carlstwingo
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I’m going to collect the engine tomorrow I believe it to be the 170bhp version also. I’ll get the numbers
Sparkysparks
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I nearly bought that haha
Carlstwingo
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It was very cheap
Sparkysparks
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If you make 340hp from it I'll be upset I missed out.
If anyone knows what you've got and what you can do with it it'll be in this thread @Adey is doing good research here
Itll need some upgrades to go much past 200bhp tbh. The internals are different to the 205/225/230 engine. Effectively the non turbo sport engine makes more power. That's not to say it can't be pushed though but you'll want some bolt on parts at a minimum. 225 turbocharger and injectors would be my starting point. And knowing how far it can go will be a guessing game.
Carlstwingo
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@Carlstwingo as @Brigsy said check the front housing of the turbo, itll either be td04-10t or td04-14t, stamped/etched on a flat part of the compressor
Right, a little recap for those at the back.
Engine is back in and running, built up in true pikey fashion. Meg 250RS rods and pistons, Cometic 1.9mm MLS head gasket. Modified 172 cams, 19T hybrid and 250RS injectors (got some new 250 map sensors to go in at the time of mapping too) Slapped in a new CG Motorsport race clutch to replace the dual friction one that was in there (no issues with the old one just wanted to make sure it could hold some more power). Ran in on millers running in oil and now on some more millers CFS. By the time its gets to Chris on Wednesday it will be up around 750 miles since putting it back together, fingers crossed if it was going to go wrong it would have by now
I'm tempted to ask for the torque to be kept relatively low if possible and just hold it for as long as possible, this is banking on the cams actually helping push the power higher in the rev range. Its been a pig to drive in traffic as it currently cuts out when pulling up, so putting the miles on has been fun, luckily I live about 4 miles from a quiet motorway which I've been up and down a fair few times now 
so I'm looking forward to being able just to drive it normally again I've cleaned up the bay a little also, relocated the brake/clutch reservoir to inside the car under the dash and used the freed up space to fit a breather catch tank rather than my normal pipe to somewhere handy. A new lambda was thrown in as the one in there was seemingly causing some issues where it would pin the ecu fully rich or lean. There was also a problem using the cooksport rail with the 250rs injectors, the retaining clips don't fit it, and the injector itself is slightly narrower than the r26 item meaning it could fully plunge into the inlet manifold and come out of the rail. I did actually call cooksport who claimed that they never had the same issue even without the clips, said they would call me back but never did... there was someone else on facebook with the same issue running the same style of injector. Anyway to cure the issue I had a friend from work spin up collars/spacers to sit on the injector, this stopped them being able to push into the manifold and when the rail was bolted up held them pinned in place. So far so good, hopefully they still work fine under high boost/fuel pressure.
I've spent today prepping it ready for tuning, set the wheels straight on a friend ramp, one of the track rod ends was a bit seized, but nothing a bit of heat and some mole grips couldn't sort. I've actually set it quite conservatively to normal, -1.3 camber and about -0.05 toe out, plan is too see how it puts down the power and then ill adjust it from there. Plugs cleaned and checked, gaps set at .6mm.
Anyway its time to play the guessing game again, What are your predictions????
Engine is back in and running, built up in true pikey fashion. Meg 250RS rods and pistons, Cometic 1.9mm MLS head gasket. Modified 172 cams, 19T hybrid and 250RS injectors (got some new 250 map sensors to go in at the time of mapping too) Slapped in a new CG Motorsport race clutch to replace the dual friction one that was in there (no issues with the old one just wanted to make sure it could hold some more power). Ran in on millers running in oil and now on some more millers CFS. By the time its gets to Chris on Wednesday it will be up around 750 miles since putting it back together, fingers crossed if it was going to go wrong it would have by now
I'm tempted to ask for the torque to be kept relatively low if possible and just hold it for as long as possible, this is banking on the cams actually helping push the power higher in the rev range. Its been a pig to drive in traffic as it currently cuts out when pulling up, so putting the miles on has been fun, luckily I live about 4 miles from a quiet motorway which I've been up and down a fair few times now so I'm looking forward to being able just to drive it normally again I've cleaned up the bay a little also, relocated the brake/clutch reservoir to inside the car under the dash and used the freed up space to fit a breather catch tank rather than my normal pipe to somewhere handy. A new lambda was thrown in as the one in there was seemingly causing some issues where it would pin the ecu fully rich or lean. There was also a problem using the cooksport rail with the 250rs injectors, the retaining clips don't fit it, and the injector itself is slightly narrower than the r26 item meaning it could fully plunge into the inlet manifold and come out of the rail. I did actually call cooksport who claimed that they never had the same issue even without the clips, said they would call me back but never did... there was someone else on facebook with the same issue running the same style of injector. Anyway to cure the issue I had a friend from work spin up collars/spacers to sit on the injector, this stopped them being able to push into the manifold and when the rail was bolted up held them pinned in place. So far so good, hopefully they still work fine under high boost/fuel pressure.I've spent today prepping it ready for tuning, set the wheels straight on a friend ramp, one of the track rod ends was a bit seized, but nothing a bit of heat and some mole grips couldn't sort. I've actually set it quite conservatively to normal, -1.3 camber and about -0.05 toe out, plan is too see how it puts down the power and then ill adjust it from there. Plugs cleaned and checked, gaps set at .6mm.
Anyway its time to play the guessing game again, What are your predictions????
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