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[Ren21Turbo]

hi

i would like a 12v head, txi inlet manifold, txi throttle body, txi inlet plenum, a phase 1 complete working j7r 572 turbo engine plus would like loom and ecu with it but not a must


many thanks

 

[Haz]

Good luck, your not the only one looking. You may have to travel to France to buy a complete txi as it seems there's only a couple left over here. Also the loom and ecu will be useless using half of each engine so you'd have to look into standalone. Plus you'll need to get the manifold reworked to take the turbo which would need to be bigger for that engine setup really.

 

[DaveL485]

Oh look, over there.

It's a bandwagon.

Lets all go and jump on it.

 

[MakeEverything]

lol

 

[dansam]

Oh look, over there.

It's a bandwagon.

Lets all go and jump on it.

hahaha that did make me chuckle

 

[DaveL485]

Plus you'll need to get the manifold reworked to take the turbo which would need to be bigger for that engine setup really.

Have you ever seen one?

It makes the Turbo one look like its off a Tonka toy. Same with the Inlet manifold too.

 

[Haz]

Oh look, over there.

It's a bandwagon.

Lets all go and jump on it.

As it makes more power n/a then it's just common sense, but until yours is running and mapped its all speculation lol. I'm still lookin but I think it's a lost cause esp if it breaks. Think a wild cam is the way to go, for me anyway

 

[DaveL485]

As it makes more power n/a then it's just common sense, but until yours is running and mapped its all speculation lol. I'm still lookin but I think it's a lost cause esp if it breaks. Think a wild cam is the way to go, for me anyway

Considering there's one built and it makes 50hp more than a similar spec 8v, i'd say its not speculation at all.

The only question is: Are your pockets deep enough to build it, and make it reliable?

 

[Haz]

I'd have hoped for at least 50bhp extra at a bar. Is there just the one roadworthy 12v conversion, as the ways to tune it could be varied. Deep pockets, I wouldn't buy stuff until limits were reached. I'd just take a chance bolting txi top to turbo bottom, and then other bits that could be used on the 8v like tubular manifold, intercooler, rad, with t34, big injectors and adaptronic. Then get scoff to map it up close to the limits. Possibly put a cam in but without knowing that profile wouldn't know if it's worthwhile. Due to there not being lots availiable for the 21 generally, tbh I'd rather spend my money on the 11, alot more power, lighter, handles better etc so doubt I'll be going down the experimentation route on the 21, it will be my daily, eventually, so just going with what's planned, cracking up the boost and seeing what it'll rev to.

 

[Andyquadra]

I'd have hoped for at least 50bhp extra at a bar. Is there just the one roadworthy 12v conversion, as the ways to tune it could be varied. Deep pockets, I wouldn't buy stuff until limits were reached. I'd just take a chance bolting txi top to turbo bottom, and then other bits that could be used on the 8v like tubular manifold, intercooler, rad, with t34, big injectors and adaptronic. Then get scoff to map it up close to the limits. Possibly put a cam in but without knowing that profile wouldn't know if it's worthwhile. Due to there not being lots availiable for the 21 generally, tbh I'd rather spend my money on the 11, alot more power, lighter, handles better etc so doubt I'll be going down the experimentation route on the 21, it will be my daily, eventually, so just going with what's planned, cracking up the boost and seeing what it'll rev to.

Have you read through this?
http://21toc.com/showthread.php?31047-Engine-specs

 

[DaveL485]

tbh I'd rather spend my money on the 11, alot more power, lighter, handles better etc so

*Snigger*

Never in a million, billion, trillion years does an 11 outhandle a 21. As one of what is probably a very select few thats owned all phases of all models of 9, 11 and 21 Turbo I wholeheartedly disagree, one hundred and eleventy six and a half squillion percent )

 

[Haz]

Some of it, but waiting to get on laptop for an hour or 2 to comment. I have decided on a 'bargain finding' spec. More interested in where people have found limits, and why (as some seem a little over engineered) . . Tbc over there soon lol

 

[DaveL485]

Some of it, but waiting to get on laptop for an hour or 2 to comment. I have decided on a 'bargain finding' spec. More interested in where people have found limits, and why (as some seem a little over engineered) . . Tbc over there soon lol

Liners matey. Thats it. Liners at 20Psi + (Using a 2 bar MAP sensor and a 'chip'). Where they'll let go running aftermarket management I do not know. if at all.

 

[dansam]

i think all this chat about liners going at 20+psi is a myth,dont get me wrong tho i know standalone or a proper map is the way foward, thats why thats my next step!

 

[DaveL485]

i think all this chat about liners going at 20+psi is a myth

It's no myth my good man, not at all. I've rebuilt so many i've lost count. What do you expect though, almost half a bar out of MAP range, OE fuelling in most cases and if thats been changed with a preconfigured chip a lot of them dial in a load of timing advance too which makes it very volatile.

Thing is, if you are going to blow ??? on Steel Liners and/or aftermarket management, do you leave everything else OE to see what fails next? What if a Piston fails and ruins a thousand quids worth of liners and valves? Thats the slippery slope. Unfortunately a couple of us slid right to the bottom lol

 

[MakeEverything]

i think all this chat about liners going at 20+psi is a myth,dont get me wrong tho i know standalone or a proper map is the way foward, thats why thats my next step!

Ditto, that's also why I went to aftermarket ecu, though I don't agree with the myth bit. It's just as Dave says, running the standard ecu out of limits.

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Liners matey. Thats it. Liners at 20Psi + (Using a 2 bar MAP sensor and a 'chip'). Where they'll let go running aftermarket management I do not know. if at all.

I'm to find out soon. ECU is going away this week for updated MAP sensor, launch control and switchable maps.

 

[danb]

I ran over 20psi on my phase 1 with no problems. Pulled like a freight train. Then again it was well looked after until I got my hands on it and wrapped it round some road furniture.

That said I only ever saw rich/acceptable readings on my quadra at 17/18psi on standard management. I was rather confused as it wasn't the reading I was expecting.

 

[administrator]

For how many miles though Dan ? In between breakdowns on my five I bet I could run 2 bar boost. For 9 miles.

 

[danb]

miles.. what are they?

 

[Ren21Turbo]

guys can we get this back on track for what i wanted and for people to read the org post insted guessing in what iam going to use them for plz i need 1 complete running phase 1 engine with loom and ecu for backup for a car i would like to build in for furture 12v head is for UAD but i may put a 16v on plus with txi items but i may go itb for that.

plus why would u run over 14.7 psi if you only running 2 bar map sensor thats just dumb lol and the j7r 752 engine can take 20+ any day of the week if setup right UAD is proof of this if anyone disbelives can come and look at UAD at 21 psi holding with cossie 3 bar map sensor, cossie fpr and downpipe back (atm) cossie mongoose system soon to have a cossie 4x4 t3 turbo with cossie downpipe