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MakeEverything
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Is that aftermarket?
DaveL485
Staff member
Of course I do, I work for the companies that make it (Cadbury-Kraft).
Looks grim. I'm sticking with my Wispa castles and Dairy Milk. And Chocolate Oranges. And Toblerone.
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administrator
Did you know the Philadelphia spread with chocolate in it is made from ground up AT-AT ? Its the same size and everything.
DaveL485
Staff member
as laid out by Poyser the 2nd
I'll be surprised if you didn't hear the full on guffaw that created from the full hundred miles away. Genius.
....I wonder if anyone else will 'get it' lmfao!!
Ren21Turbo
Member
Originally Posted by Ren21Turbo
the valves are the same as the 8v turbo head same size!,
You clearly have no idea what you're talking about chap. I even quoted the TXi valve sizes for you at 36.4x7x111.8, 30.4x7x111.9 and 40.1x7x112. The Turbo ones are 43.9x8x112 and 37x8x111.3. I'd be wholly impressed if you could get an 8mm Turbo stem in a 7mm TXi valve guide.
so ill just forget that i have a j7r 2.0 12v thats done 31k miles?
Originally Posted by Ren21Turbo
plus where in any of my posts have i said that its a bolt on and play
Here:
Originally Posted by Ren21Turbo
so you dont know then that the 12v exhaust valves are sodium filled valves as std or that if u you use 2.2td twin valves springs that they will take anything anyone car throw at them (besides cutting them dow!)that the N/A cam works fine on a the turbo setup if you know how to dail them in.......
......so yeah ill keep using a very good system that works fine that really isnt that limited if understand how renault used the item (for the record i dont know about if phase 2/3 systems are the same to map as i have not tryed yet or needed to yet)
thats dont say anywhere thats it is a bolt on and play thats talking about that you rather replace a limited ecu unit which is what you said here :
Because I can get away with it thats why. And its free. No tossing about with EPROMs, mapping and the like on what is a 20 year old, limited system. I've used OE management- not even a 'chip' for over a Decade. Mapped or not, i'd put cash on the line to say that i'd beat you on torque any day of the week.
Originally Posted by Ren21Turbo
p.s
have you even tryed getting ur car mapped/setup i think you will find far cheaper then any standalone unit plus finding someone/company that supports that unit. where as the renix/benix ecu can be setup by most people if they look as its std 64k eprom
Agreed. Far cheaper as a one off. However, with the investment of Standalone, I can map, remap and re-remap over and again myself with no special kit. I have an excellent user interface that is easy to understand. I have dual switchable maps, auto-fuelling control, target AFR and rapid learning, I can recalibrate new sensors to the unit so I can use any sensors I like in seconds, I have fuel and ignition maps as far up as i'll ever need, I can run sequential injection, 8 injectors, it controls my boost, idle, fans, I have flat shifting, launch control, NoS control, Water inj control, I can switch from coils to dizzy and back again, I can use high or low impedance injectors, I can set alarms and alerts for when the engine is out of trim in any way....every time I make a change to the vernier, Turbo, injectors, charge cooling, exhaust system I DON'T have to go back and pay to get it mapped again.
i know that you are saying about the benfits of goin standalone and on that front i do agree, but it depends what you are trying to do, most good standalones are over 1k for everything you need to put on your car for it to start run ok-ish thats why we map it further to make it better and more effective to make more power i agree with you there, but most remaps well the one ive had done for me have lonely being in the price range of 100 to 200 quid a time so we go on the with 200quid a time thats 5 times to get ur car mapped and i dont think people get the car mapped that many times do they ? i might be wrong but i know i havnt done it to a single car that many times from memory. but yes standalone is very good and have come leaps head of most car ecus of today.
about special tool well it isnt really because all you need is almost the same if you are programing a standalone ecu u just need the software and we got it of a tuner in reading (which has now moved if i find him ill will post his location on for people to go to if they would like the software for a small fee (normaly he will take a pack of beer or some beer tokens
) and he will give you the pin out needed to talk to the ecu (reason why he will do this because he would like to go back to just doing carbs and normal engine rebuilds as i remember my last talk with him he would like to retire soon).
And, sat in the car with the laptop showing the gauges and 3D fuelling grids with the Target X tracking the engine up and down......well.....its cool as ****.
that does work to a point my reason for saying this is :
as you drive down the road your not on the same surface all the time and with traffic,corning and etc it makes it a very hard to get setup 100% but it has been done with good results, me personally i would just book a rolling road day so its in a safe place and in control environment so you can set up every part of the map, with every gear and rev range so get the best map setup that you can, but that up to you.
the main point i was trying to put across is that i accused of putting std 12v head as is without doing anything and same with the 8v turbo lump with is incorrect
anyway i cant be bothered to go on and on and on we will just accept that we have diffent views on how it should be done and leave it there. i just need some more spare parts to make some more 12vt setups for me, as this setup works for me and is very cost effective for me.(hehe)
the valves are the same as the 8v turbo head same size!,
You clearly have no idea what you're talking about chap. I even quoted the TXi valve sizes for you at 36.4x7x111.8, 30.4x7x111.9 and 40.1x7x112. The Turbo ones are 43.9x8x112 and 37x8x111.3. I'd be wholly impressed if you could get an 8mm Turbo stem in a 7mm TXi valve guide.
so ill just forget that i have a j7r 2.0 12v thats done 31k miles?
Originally Posted by Ren21Turbo
plus where in any of my posts have i said that its a bolt on and play
Here:
Originally Posted by Ren21Turbo
so you dont know then that the 12v exhaust valves are sodium filled valves as std or that if u you use 2.2td twin valves springs that they will take anything anyone car throw at them (besides cutting them dow!)that the N/A cam works fine on a the turbo setup if you know how to dail them in.......
......so yeah ill keep using a very good system that works fine that really isnt that limited if understand how renault used the item (for the record i dont know about if phase 2/3 systems are the same to map as i have not tryed yet or needed to yet)
thats dont say anywhere thats it is a bolt on and play thats talking about that you rather replace a limited ecu unit which is what you said here :
Because I can get away with it thats why. And its free. No tossing about with EPROMs, mapping and the like on what is a 20 year old, limited system. I've used OE management- not even a 'chip' for over a Decade. Mapped or not, i'd put cash on the line to say that i'd beat you on torque any day of the week.
Originally Posted by Ren21Turbo
p.s
have you even tryed getting ur car mapped/setup i think you will find far cheaper then any standalone unit plus finding someone/company that supports that unit. where as the renix/benix ecu can be setup by most people if they look as its std 64k eprom
Agreed. Far cheaper as a one off. However, with the investment of Standalone, I can map, remap and re-remap over and again myself with no special kit. I have an excellent user interface that is easy to understand. I have dual switchable maps, auto-fuelling control, target AFR and rapid learning, I can recalibrate new sensors to the unit so I can use any sensors I like in seconds, I have fuel and ignition maps as far up as i'll ever need, I can run sequential injection, 8 injectors, it controls my boost, idle, fans, I have flat shifting, launch control, NoS control, Water inj control, I can switch from coils to dizzy and back again, I can use high or low impedance injectors, I can set alarms and alerts for when the engine is out of trim in any way....every time I make a change to the vernier, Turbo, injectors, charge cooling, exhaust system I DON'T have to go back and pay to get it mapped again.
i know that you are saying about the benfits of goin standalone and on that front i do agree, but it depends what you are trying to do, most good standalones are over 1k for everything you need to put on your car for it to start run ok-ish thats why we map it further to make it better and more effective to make more power i agree with you there, but most remaps well the one ive had done for me have lonely being in the price range of 100 to 200 quid a time so we go on the with 200quid a time thats 5 times to get ur car mapped and i dont think people get the car mapped that many times do they ? i might be wrong but i know i havnt done it to a single car that many times from memory. but yes standalone is very good and have come leaps head of most car ecus of today.
about special tool well it isnt really because all you need is almost the same if you are programing a standalone ecu u just need the software and we got it of a tuner in reading (which has now moved if i find him ill will post his location on for people to go to if they would like the software for a small fee (normaly he will take a pack of beer or some beer tokens
) and he will give you the pin out needed to talk to the ecu (reason why he will do this because he would like to go back to just doing carbs and normal engine rebuilds as i remember my last talk with him he would like to retire soon).And, sat in the car with the laptop showing the gauges and 3D fuelling grids with the Target X tracking the engine up and down......well.....its cool as ****.
that does work to a point my reason for saying this is :
as you drive down the road your not on the same surface all the time and with traffic,corning and etc it makes it a very hard to get setup 100% but it has been done with good results, me personally i would just book a rolling road day so its in a safe place and in control environment so you can set up every part of the map, with every gear and rev range so get the best map setup that you can, but that up to you.
the main point i was trying to put across is that i accused of putting std 12v head as is without doing anything and same with the 8v turbo lump with is incorrect
anyway i cant be bothered to go on and on and on we will just accept that we have diffent views on how it should be done and leave it there. i just need some more spare parts to make some more 12vt setups for me, as this setup works for me and is very cost effective for me.(hehe)
Andyquadra
Well-Known Member
Can you put your hand on heart and say that you have measured the valves? because I have just measured the head thats sitting in my shed that came off a H reg 21 TXI
Just out of interest, the J7R engine you have, whats the rest of the engine code J7R 7..
Andy
Ren21Turbo
Member
from memory Andy its j7r 752 ph1 8v bottom end modifed with renault sefrane 2.2 12v head slighty modifed but ill double check in the morning down the yard
Andyquadra
Well-Known Member
Bingo! the R21/25 12V head is different to the Safrane ( stat housing....) but to have different valves........... Renault never surprise me these days!
Ren21Turbo
Member
but we have used 25/21 heads before andy without problems but yes u are correct about stat housing (we redrill and make a spacer plate to take the 21t type for the turbo feed) plus renault (god bless them dont like making just a specific type when they have item on the shelf in the factory to use because of cost which make modifed renault alot easyer to do 
DaveL485
Staff member
I have no idea what that stack of garbled nonsense is, would someone like to translate please?
Whatever. I'm TELLING you the 21 TXi 12v valves are different to the Turbo. End of story.
la21t
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You have blatantly filed one down.
I demand a revalve.
I demand a revalve.
Andyquadra
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photo shopped m8!
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