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Kangoo Compact (aka Racevan3)

Updates, not moved much as been mega busy but had the occasional run out. No issues to report running great.

Bought another set of compomotive centre caps to have in stock for when another one goes awol.View attachment 202314

Give it a good clean up and a coating of Gtecnhiq c2v3, AG trim gel on the bumpers.
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Need to start prepping it for cs festival soon. List is not too bad, oil and filter change, fit new front discs and ds1.11 pads/flush brake fluid and renew with motul rbf600.

Thanks for reading!!
Always Loved the Mo’s in 5 and 6’s had a set of 5’s for my old Rs Turbo but they were too wide for it. They do suit the kangoo.

Can’t wait to see it at Csf.
 
Long time no update.

Still not done much and a list of bits to do before CS festival, thought id better make a start now back from hols.

Started with a trial fit of the Technomagnesio champion 201B wheels wearing 235/40/18 Yokohama A048 Medium hard compound semis. Got these refurbed a couple of years ago for the blue meg for track use and not used them and have been sat in wheel bags in the garage.
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As the Kangoo needs a lower offset than the meg on the rear for clearance from inner arch a spacer is required. I dont need to run one with the mo6 as its a staggered set with lower et on the rear approx et50, i believe the technos are et60.

I have a pair of 10mm pms slip on spacers in stock which work ok as the hub centre is massive so plenty left to locate the wheel, and clearance is good. Should be epic on a dry track with this combo😁

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Liking the look of them fitted now its suitably low. The wheels are like a cross between oldskool flat faced compomotive mo5 and speedline corse 1822, nice motorsport look.

Still got the front discs to change for new brembo hc, fit ds1.11 front pads, flush brake and clutch fluid for motul rbf600. Also need to change oil and filter and modine seal whilst there as weeping slightly. Not much to do but enough at the last minute, but will be done in time ;)

Thanks for reading!!
 
Be good to finally see it at Blyton. Have a few more bits to do on the Clio but should hopefully be there at Blyton. Not on Track though.
 
Updates

CSF prep almost done

New brembo hc front discs fitted, ferodo ds1.11 front pads, system fully flushed with motul rbf 600 fluid.

Discs come pre painted on the bits that rust in anthricite and look well.

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Pressure bled brakes in sequence and the pedal went a bit long for some bizarre reason was no issues prior. Give them another bleed and air came out of the rears and now the pedal feel is wicked. Flushed clutch hydraulics too.

Technomagnesios on now longer bolts have arrived for rears due to 10mm pms spacers. Black ebay special centre caps fitted as only had 2 of the silver ones in last pics. £6 delivered for them, bargain
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Took it out this morning to bed the brakes in and once some pad material was on the new discs the stopping power is unreal.

Quick stop by the old woodyard in M/boro whilst brakes cooled a little.
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The handling with the Yoko a048s on feels awesome. Solid and planted.
Went back home and changed oil and filter and modine seal. Id been putting this off as access is tight. Pulled front end off and was very easy to be fair. Seal replaced, modine bolt torqued to 44nm as per workshop manual and mocal sandwich plate torqued to 25nm as both were a little loose for my liking when removed.
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Dry as a bone now as it had a slight weep in this area. Filled up with Millers Cfs motorsport 5/40.

Took it out for a test run and done some pulls with RsTuner hooked up for datalogging, whilst keeping an eye on afr gauge. Feels quick as and very planted in higher gears thats all im saying. Checked logs and the consensus is all good.
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Small jobs left to do, nimbus heat shield above turbo and clean up, couple of hours work then its a case of fill the tank and go. Im actually a bit excited as not done a trackday since 2020 and not used this in anger yet.

Thanks for reading!!
 
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Cheers mate. Im loving the look of the technomagnesio's at the moment, i think they are very similar to flat faced comp mo5/speedline corse so have a nice motorsport feel to them.

Also loving the fact they dont show the epic brake dust from bedding in the pads yesterday, white wheels drive me insane with brake dust 😆
 
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I always did prefer the mo5’s

These look smaller than the Mo’s for some reason which seems to suit it. Probably the colour.

Although white on white is cool I can imagine the hatred in keeping them clean.
 
I always did prefer the mo5’s

These look smaller than the Mo’s for some reason which seems to suit it. Probably the colour.

Although white on white is cool I can imagine the hatred in keeping them clean.
Always liked the Mo5 flat face but made of unobtanium in 18" 5x108 and correct offset. I think i done well getting the Mo6 in the right size/pcd/offset. I did see a set in Mo5 in 17" but newer curved spoke style, and was unsure if they would look right being smaller.

The white wheels only ever look clean after being washed on the drive 😆 when i get them refurbed soon i think ill get them ceramic coated for ease of cleaning.
 
Small update

Fitted a nimbus heatshield to the upper scuttle yesterday. It had a crappy bit of carpet sound deadening fitted originally which was looking ropey so took it off when i first done the conversion. Thought it was worthwhile fitting something right above the turbo to reflect some radiant heat.

Scuttle off and some riv nuts to hold it in place, daft hour job before the weather was scorchio. Nimbus is class, so easy to work with, moulded around the contours of the scuttle dead easy with minimum fuss.

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Thats all the bits done for CSF apart from quick wash and fill up with fuel.

Thanks for reading!!
 
CSF update 2022

Cleaned up and sat in the garage all week to stay clean. Pulled it out the garage ready to go and torrential rain started straight away so waste of time :LOL:
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Filled up with fuel and gear, uneventful ride down to pick the Trophy up en route via Leeds. Noted max 30mpg at steady 70mph so not the best/not the worst, 630cc injector life.
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Trophy collected, took it straight to the airbnb and out for a pub dinner. No issues finding a spot that it fits in!
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Sat comes and we arrive at Blyton, His and hers parked up.
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Track time booked for the afternoon. Do the relevant pre flight checks and clear all the shite out the back. Playing safe as its looking like the hottest day of the year so hook up the RsTuner to datalog the engine ecu parameters and get in the queue.

Go out with a few steady laps planned and to get the feel for the setup. Ill be the first to admit that ive never used this in anger on the corners and had no idea what to expect. Will it be planted? Lively on the rear? Fall over on the corners? Who knows :LOL:

Get on the circuit and my track driving is a little rusty as not done any track driving since September 2020. Moderate pace first lap to get some heat into the medium hard compound semis and get the oil up to temp.

2nd lap get on it a bit and start testing the handling. Feels very solid, not snappy on the rear. Start opening it up, after the wiggler get on the throttle and on the straight its really moving. Start using the full track on the corners, progressive on the throttle and its picking up a wheel on inside rear exiting Bunga Bunga as can hear the shock drop to full droop. Get on the throttle again and short shift from 3rd into 4th at 5.5k before Port Froid as i want to see what the higher speed cornering is like and not run out of rpm. Its feeling solid so apply more throttle, a little agressive as the boost/power ramps in mid corner and lights the inner tyre up with the lsd. f**king crazy but it does not move off the racing line so put it down to spring, rebound or setup or even just driver error (too much throttle input). Hard on the brakes for Ushers and the Ds1:11 absolutely deliver the goods.

I do another 3 laps of varied pace and tyres are hot/pressure too high so cool down lap and go in to check datalogs. Coolant temps, oil temps are looking OK considering, Air to fuel ratio is very good 12afr in mid range going to mid 11s on higher rpm. Noted that id gone from a full tank of fuel to above 3/4 in that time lol.

Get laptop out and check datalogs. Coolant temps are stable ish at 98-99deg, not horiffic but up there a little which is to be expected with high ambient temps. Air intake temps are good, excellent really around 30-32deg on boost so a few degrees above ambient.

The bad news is that something was not happy and the datalogs show engine is consistently pulling 3-5deg of ign timing on slow correction. Average cyl knock counts look ok in the mid range but spiking at higher rpm, not too excessive which is either false knock, or engine is unhappy and its doing its best to keep it in one piece. Ive noted its dropped ign to 4deg on boost/higher rpm so safe in that respect, which at this point im worried if it pulls more ign will egts go sky high, im no expert on the matter but im concerned sustained hard use may hurt the engine in the high ambient temp, and id rather not damage it so call it a day at that. I was told off a couple of people to just send it as the ecu is keeping it right, but if it all goes wrong then it'll be dead until i get time to rebuild it.

Still i always classed this as a shakedown and its given me data, and proof that once i get the small issues sorted it should be quite the weapon.

Still enjoyed the rest of the day, took @Adey. s twingo out and had a riot in that, and passenger in @DaveL485 s V6 which was epic. Picked up another set of 18 Comps off @Moggy_rs and some other bits. Back was quite full on the way home!
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Also got a pic with @Mcaff s Kangoo back to back. Shows how short it is compared to normal ML Kangoo!
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Plan is diagnostics on the dyno and map tweak if it needs it, rectify the issues if any hardware faults and get it booked in for some more track action before summer is out.

Thanks for reading!!
 
Love both your van’s. Like I said on Saturday, I’ll be selling my meglio next year and want something that’s more suited to my lifestyle now I’ve got a missus. Told her I’d be getting a non Renault estate (something automatic) or a van so we can go camping and something we can throw the mountain bikes into. she loves both your vans so I might be on the look out for something 👀
 
Done a bit of b road blasting in the Kangoo last week as had to pop over to North Yorkshire to pick up some fitted oem Renault mats for it, so took advantage of the good weather and great roads.

The Ast 5100 suspension is phenominal, perfect balance of compliance and handling, combined with 378 hp is absolutely epic. Love it!!
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Mats fitted. Clip in so no movement like the old ones.
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Also bought a set of ambla & dinamica black leather Recaro cs seat covers for the recaros. They were designed to fit the Recaro cross sportster low which i always assumed these were, however the corsa base foam is different and would not fit so bit of a fail on my behalf. Ill eventually get them retrimmed in the same material to suit.
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Thanks for reading!!
 
Updates

Booked Kangoo in for map tweak at EfiParts last week. Was lucky and got a last min pm slot at short notice.

As it was running ok and was busy with other stuff did not get round to giving it a quick once over until the morning of the day when booked in.

A quick look round and i noticed that the alloy boost hose had been chattering on the top engine mount. Id planned on securing this for ages but not gotten round to it so decided to do it to prevent any future damage. Ten min job to whip engine mount off, drill and tap to secure a p clip.

Whipped engine mount off, drilled and tapped hole in ten mins.
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Refitted
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This is where the job went sour. The eagled eyed will notice the threads for the rear most bolt in the cam cover are a bit s**t from previous abuse. Torqued the bolt up and it went tightey then loosey pulling the remainder of the threads out, at this point i was thinking ffs why cant i leave anything alone :cautious:

Bad day tap and die kit out and luckily a longer bolt got the last 25mm of thread at the bottom, longer bolt and it torqued down solid. Got another cambelt cover to replace this one but another day job as i needed to set off asap or would be late and miss my spot!!

Arrive at Efi no issues, apart from sweating my bollox off due to no air con.

Lock and load.

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Goal was to get to the bottom of the ign pull issue. Ambient temps ridiculously high with 33deg logged in the dyno cell, but not a bad thing in some respects as i wanted it to be hot and push the engine so can get to the bottom of the issues.

AirInT 92.6 degF or 33 degC.
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Talking to Chris and we agreed due to the mega heat we werent expecting any 370+ figures today. Det cans hooked up and first run sees 360hp easy enough 22psi boost.


Ecu was pulling a degree of ign as getting the occasional ping of det at the top of the rpm which it did not do when first mapped.

Talking to Chris about it and nothing has changed apart from oil consumption since first map. The oil consumption has gone up to around 1ltr per thousand miles which is not totally unusual for forged but its getting up there for sure. Its mega piston slappy from cold, so assume a bit of oil is making its way into the cylinders and with the relatively high compression of this engine it was a recipe for premature detonation.

The engine is not a smoker yet but well on the worn side, and its not had an easy life in the early days as been in a megane thats had hard track use.

The decision was made to detune it as it needed more timing to keep the egt's lower and keep everything cooler. Boost pressure was dropped and fuel added and settled at a safe as houses 335hp/300ft/lb.

Great job from Chris as usual, hes a wizard with these. He showed me what your up against when tuning the S3000 megane ecu and to put it bluntly its a f**king nightmare due to the torque strategies compared to a nice standalone or modern ecu.

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Ultimately the engine needs a refresh, new rings and most likely rebore due to wear. Will do the maths and work out static/dynamic compression ratio as is with the 172 cams, then go from there regarding piston choice.

Certainly cant moan as the short engine owes me £380 and its done an estimated 40'000 miles since its had the forged pistons and rods fitted. Should be able to salvage most of it if all goes well, as oil pressure is still superb.

Its bought me a bit more time though so i can enjoy it for the rest of the summer and get it done over winter.

Said to Chris is it time to step up and fit a large garrett turbo on the next build, and he said save my money as cant really get the power down as is. Both agreed a new standalone ecu is a better option for traction control and boost by gear, so might use EcuMaster Black on the next build and add a few trick bits onto it, working vvt etc.

Services shot on the way home.
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Got back mega late around 1am. Ambient temps were down to 20degrees so stretched its legs a bit, still feels really quick and still severely traction limited in 1st/2nd gear. Only noticeable differences are less torque if you plant the throttle in 6th and not as strong up top as it was but overall still strong power all the way through the rpm range.

The front arch liners allegedly pop out from the wing lip if you bury the speedo on a private road too so need to sort that :LOL:

Thanks for reading!!
 
He seems to know his stuff at EFI,think it'd be wise after inferno 225 has proved itself sound to get it over there for a check at least, I'm not convinced it hasn't had some sort of map, driving it like Miss Daisy doesn't seem to give any more than 26mpg, might be lazy stat as it's not super quick to get to second dash mark on gauge.
Chuck's a fair bit of rich looking slop out of tail pipes , think there's more to be had out of it, drives lovely but not knowing history perhaps it's got a wind up of boost and some juice thrown at it?
 
He seems to know his stuff at EFI,think it'd be wise after inferno 225 has proved itself sound to get it over there for a check at least, I'm not convinced it hasn't had some sort of map, driving it like Miss Daisy doesn't seem to give any more than 26mpg, might be lazy stat as it's not super quick to get to second dash mark on gauge.
Chuck's a fair bit of rich looking slop out of tail pipes , think there's more to be had out of it, drives lovely but not knowing history perhaps it's got a wind up of boost and some juice thrown at it?
Chris knows the f4r and megane ecu well its in good hands with him.

Thermostat might need changing if the temp gauge is up and down. Should hit the 2nd mark and stay there when hot.

The exhaust tips are always sooty on the megs even when right so dont worry about that, usually water mixed with carbon coming out of the silencer when engine is warming up.

Log boost pressure on it, that will tell you if its mapped or not as boost is always raised when tuned. Mpg is always pretty crap too, if its on stock injectors id get them cleaned or renew, that might bring it up a little but 30-32mpg is about the max if your sticking to normal speeds, and 20mpg or less if your on it😅
 
The good, the bad and the ugly

The good first.

Took the Kangoo to The Motorist in Leeds for Vanned show last sat. Also took my Extra van and joined by my old Kangoo 172 cup.

Meet up outside my mates house for convoy down.
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Random pull in off a19 to ahem water the plants. Random parking looked good so had to get a pic.
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Arrived at The Motorist and parked up. All 3x racevans together.
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My mates mrs took this pic on the way out of the motorist on the way back. Cool as f**k.
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The usual fuel and piss stop on the way back
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A few random pics as its very rare they are all out at once, and probably wont happen again for a while
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Short and tall vs old and long. Evolution from tiny 13" wheels to 18"
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Had Kangoo vs Extra on a private road. Shez in the Kangoo and me in the Extra.

Current stats - Kangoo 335hp/300ft/lb - 1320kg - approx 250hp per ton.

Extra van - boost 24psi currently so estimate around 230hp/220ft/lb - 920kg - approx 250hp per ton.

Mostly level peg but Kangoo gaps the Extra by a car length on gearchange. I guess that will be fast spooling turbo and 2.0 turbo torque.

Shez drops the bombshell that she only took it to 6k rpm and im using all of the avalable 7600rpm in the Extra. I guess thats gappuccino served :LOL: kangoo would have been off if still 378hp.
 
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