BCA AUCTION

[Lankan]

Indeed, do feel for the seller who sold it to WeBuyAnyCar, who I am sure made a tidy sum themselves. Given that original, low-mileage Vees are few and far between, especially Phase 1's, one must expect to pay a premium.

I really don't understand why people go to sites like WeByAnyCar, especially to sell/part-exchange a car like the Vee, unless of course they are unaware of its status as a classic, and current valuations, or as mentioned above they are as "thick as mince". A simple Google search is all that is needed! :s

 

[Big Iain]

16500 on webuy anycar for mine, last year it was 8000 [smilie=icon_eek.gif]

 

[Ohms]

Money4your motors offering £14950 for my phase 1 with 39k. They offered 13K for my Vx220 turbo which was also a surprise.

 

[DaveL485]

I can't imagine much worse than waving goodbye to a beloved motor to one of those places. I'd feel like i'd betrayed my car.

Silly, I know, it's only a hunk of metal and plastic, but...

 

[Ali]

That's a good turn-around!

Indeed Phil, but wish a v6Clio.net member/enthusiast got hold of it at £20K (with fees)............

Why? It was sold too cheaply at auction. Least it's priced appropriately now.

There's money to be made on these cars now. It's a no brainier.

 

[Lankan]

That's a good turn-around!

Indeed Phil, but wish a v6Clio.net member/enthusiast got hold of it at £20K (with fees)............

Why? It was sold too cheaply at auction. Least it's priced appropriately now.

There's money to be made on these cars now. It's a no brainier.

Have you read the first post?!

Sometimes it is not all about the money (or price), as it is clearly in this case.......

Somebody posted up that this Vee is likely to be sold, either knowingly or unknowingly, under market value, and wanted the wider public to know so that an enthusiastic private owner may be able to benefit rather than a trader/dealer.

It is a known fact that BCA Auctions are frequented by traders/dealers.

In this particular instance I firmly believe that this was a great opportunity for an enthusiastic private owner to have purchased a good, solid Phase 1 that they could have cherished (and used), and benefitted from the uplift in the process.

Quite apart from this I detest the fact that dealers rake it in when selling (some try to make a profit, even after offering a shabby service/experience), and try to offer peanuts when it comes to buying (or part-exchanging), and/or masquerade as private buyers when they are on the hunt for cars!

I have walked away from such dealers even though I liked the car they had for sale...........

 

[Ali]

That's a good turn-around!

Indeed Phil, but wish a v6Clio.net member/enthusiast got hold of it at £20K (with fees)............

Why? It was sold too cheaply at auction. Least it's priced appropriately now.

There's money to be made on these cars now. It's a no brainier.

Have you read the first post?!

Sometimes it is not all about the money (or price), as it is clearly in this case.......

Somebody posted up that this Vee is likely to be sold, either knowingly or unknowingly, under market value, and wanted the wider public to know so that an enthusiastic private owner may be able to benefit rather than a trader/dealer.

It is a known fact that BCA Auctions are frequented by traders/dealers.

In this particular instance I firmly believe that this was a great opportunity for an enthusiastic private owner to have purchased a good, solid Phase 1 that they could have cherished (and used), and benefitted from the uplift in the process.

Quite apart from this I detest the fact that dealers rake it in when selling (some try to make a profit, even after offering a shabby service/experience), and try to offer peanuts when it comes to buying (or part-exchanging), and/or masquerade as private buyers when they are on the hunt for cars!

I have walked away from such dealers even though I liked the car they had for sale...........

Remind me why it is that you have another V6 sitting in a garage doing nothing then...That is an investment and not being "used" to your point. If/should you come to sell are you going to sell at the price you bought for...I suspect not.

Point being, who cares what it sold for at auction, I'm far more interested, as I always have been, in 'upping' the value of our cars.

This car was being sold under market value, who cares if a dealer makes a buck or two, imo, that's just good business practice. Relate it to your own personal life, have you capitalised on something by being proactive...

Sometimes I think this forum is massively misguided as to what we're trying to achieve being enthusiasts.

 

[Lankan]

That's a good turn-around!

Indeed Phil, but wish a v6Clio.net member/enthusiast got hold of it at £20K (with fees)............

Why? It was sold too cheaply at auction. Least it's priced appropriately now.

There's money to be made on these cars now. It's a no brainier.

Have you read the first post?!

Sometimes it is not all about the money (or price), as it is clearly in this case.......

Somebody posted up that this Vee is likely to be sold, either knowingly or unknowingly, under market value, and wanted the wider public to know so that an enthusiastic private owner may be able to benefit rather than a trader/dealer.

It is a known fact that BCA Auctions are frequented by traders/dealers.

In this particular instance I firmly believe that this was a great opportunity for an enthusiastic private owner to have purchased a good, solid Phase 1 that they could have cherished (and used), and benefitted from the uplift in the process.

Quite apart from this I detest the fact that dealers rake it in when selling (some try to make a profit, even after offering a shabby service/experience), and try to offer peanuts when it comes to buying (or part-exchanging), and/or masquerade as private buyers when they are on the hunt for cars!

I have walked away from such dealers even though I liked the car they had for sale...........

Remind me why it is that you have another V6 sitting in a garage doing nothing then...That is an investment and not being "used" to your point. If/should you come to sell are you going to sell at the price you bought for...I suspect not.

Point being, who cares what it sold for at auction, I'm far more interested, as I always have been, in 'upping' the value of our cars.

This car was being sold under market value, who cares if a dealer makes a buck or two, imo, that's just good business practice. Relate it to your own personal life, have you capitalised on something by being proactive...

Sometimes I think this forum is massively misguided as to what we're trying to achieve being enthusiasts.

Ali, let's not get personal..........and digress into what either you or I have in our garages, or how we conduct our lives, and what I do with mine is my business, especially since I don't buy & sell cars for a living! This topic is not about that.........

The point I am trying to make is that the original seller sold it to WeBuyAnyCar (or it might have been acquired some other way - e.g. repossession), probably for peanuts, when compared to offers made by them to others on here, so they lost out. I would like to think that the person who posted the impending sale at auction had a conscience and wanted someone (ideally an enthusiast) to benefit from it, which is what I subscribe to, and would certainly do the same. Of course, if one is not used to thinking that way then I am sure it would pass them by........

 

[Ali]

Indeed Phil, but wish a v6Clio.net member/enthusiast got hold of it at £20K (with fees)............

Why? It was sold too cheaply at auction. Least it's priced appropriately now.

There's money to be made on these cars now. It's a no brainier.

Have you read the first post?!

Sometimes it is not all about the money (or price), as it is clearly in this case.......

Somebody posted up that this Vee is likely to be sold, either knowingly or unknowingly, under market value, and wanted the wider public to know so that an enthusiastic private owner may be able to benefit rather than a trader/dealer.

It is a known fact that BCA Auctions are frequented by traders/dealers.

In this particular instance I firmly believe that this was a great opportunity for an enthusiastic private owner to have purchased a good, solid Phase 1 that they could have cherished (and used), and benefitted from the uplift in the process.

Quite apart from this I detest the fact that dealers rake it in when selling (some try to make a profit, even after offering a shabby service/experience), and try to offer peanuts when it comes to buying (or part-exchanging), and/or masquerade as private buyers when they are on the hunt for cars!

I have walked away from such dealers even though I liked the car they had for sale...........

Remind me why it is that you have another V6 sitting in a garage doing nothing then...That is an investment and not being "used" to your point. If/should you come to sell are you going to sell at the price you bought for...I suspect not.

Point being, who cares what it sold for at auction, I'm far more interested, as I always have been, in 'upping' the value of our cars.

This car was being sold under market value, who cares if a dealer makes a buck or two, imo, that's just good business practice. Relate it to your own personal life, have you capitalised on something by being proactive...

Sometimes I think this forum is massively misguided as to what we're trying to achieve being enthusiasts.

Ali, let's not get personal..........and digress into what either you or I have in our garages, or how we conduct our lives, and what I do with mine is my business, especially since I don't buy & sell cars! This topic is not about that.........

The point I am trying to make is that the original seller sold it to WeBuyAnyCar (or it might have been acquired some other way - e.g. repossession), probably for peanuts, when compared to offers made by them to others on here, so they lost out. I would like to think that the person who posted the impending sale at auction had a conscience and wanted someone (ideally an enthusiast) to benefit from it, which is what I subscribe to, and would certainly do the same. Of course, if one is not used to thinking that way then I am sure it would pass them by........

That's just naivety! It's business, pure and simple. Contrary to popular believe, not all people that buy V6 Clio's sit on enthusiast forums, so your point about benefiting future members is questionably null void if they don't see this thread.

Bottom line - Dealers sell cars, the Vee is now an attractive proposition for them. The value, by virtue of recent sales is increasing thus increasing the value of our own cars! If anything we should collectively be patting ourselves on the back for hiking the prices up (A la, TVR Sagaris 2008-2015 - Same scenario)

Personally, I can't grasp why you care so much about the dealers (you state this isn't about dealers; but it clearly is), an enthusiast will still buy the aforementioned car, albeit as a inflated price. Why does it matter...i'm struggling to get onboard with your mind-set here.

 

[Lankan]

Why? It was sold too cheaply at auction. Least it's priced appropriately now.

There's money to be made on these cars now. It's a no brainier.

Have you read the first post?!

Sometimes it is not all about the money (or price), as it is clearly in this case.......

Somebody posted up that this Vee is likely to be sold, either knowingly or unknowingly, under market value, and wanted the wider public to know so that an enthusiastic private owner may be able to benefit rather than a trader/dealer.

It is a known fact that BCA Auctions are frequented by traders/dealers.

In this particular instance I firmly believe that this was a great opportunity for an enthusiastic private owner to have purchased a good, solid Phase 1 that they could have cherished (and used), and benefitted from the uplift in the process.

Quite apart from this I detest the fact that dealers rake it in when selling (some try to make a profit, even after offering a shabby service/experience), and try to offer peanuts when it comes to buying (or part-exchanging), and/or masquerade as private buyers when they are on the hunt for cars!

I have walked away from such dealers even though I liked the car they had for sale...........

Remind me why it is that you have another V6 sitting in a garage doing nothing then...That is an investment and not being "used" to your point. If/should you come to sell are you going to sell at the price you bought for...I suspect not.

Point being, who cares what it sold for at auction, I'm far more interested, as I always have been, in 'upping' the value of our cars.

This car was being sold under market value, who cares if a dealer makes a buck or two, imo, that's just good business practice. Relate it to your own personal life, have you capitalised on something by being proactive...

Sometimes I think this forum is massively misguided as to what we're trying to achieve being enthusiasts.

Ali, let's not get personal..........and digress into what either you or I have in our garages, or how we conduct our lives, and what I do with mine is my business, especially since I don't buy & sell cars! This topic is not about that.........

The point I am trying to make is that the original seller sold it to WeBuyAnyCar (or it might have been acquired some other way - e.g. repossession), probably for peanuts, when compared to offers made by them to others on here, so they lost out. I would like to think that the person who posted the impending sale at auction had a conscience and wanted someone (ideally an enthusiast) to benefit from it, which is what I subscribe to, and would certainly do the same. Of course, if one is not used to thinking that way then I am sure it would pass them by........

That's just naivety! It's business, pure and simple. Contrary to popular believe, not all people that buy V6 Clio's sit on enthusiast forums, so your point about benefiting future members is questionably null void if they don't see this thread.

Bottom line - Dealers sell cars, the Vee is now an attractive proposition for them. The value, by virtue of recent sales is increasing thus increasing the value of our own cars! If anything we should collectively be patting ourselves on the back for hiking the prices up (A la, TVR Sagaris 2008-2015 - Same scenario)

Personally, I can't grasp why you care so much about the dealers (you state this isn't about dealers; but it clearly is), an enthusiast will still buy the aforementioned car, albeit as a inflated price. Why does it matter...i'm struggling to get onboard with your mind-set here.

Okay, clearly you are not in line with my thinking, so let's just drop it.........I can't say I care whether the dealer makes whatever he/she does, but its all about ethics and ethical behaviour, which even businesses need to adopt these days and that in turn involves one to have a conscience, which is what this topic is about, not about car dealers per se.

 

[Ali]

Let's be clear from an integrity stand-point, I'm not suggesting a breach of ethics or the dealers doing any untoward. E.g. selling a crash damaged car and hiding the truth (if indeed known) about that car. I knowledgebase this forum is able to gift to prospective buyers is invaluable. Big praise to Duncan and the wider team for his support on this.

Posting about whether a dealer is making 'what you consider to be an unreasonable level of profit' because he/she has identified a gap in the market and is capitalising on it is entirely their own bloody business. For us all this is an underlying benefit as the value of our pride and joys is increasing!

:approve: I'll park this now. (P.s. I'm in BD, hence my minor huff and puff on this subject matter!)

 

[Lankan]

Back on topic, I certainly hope, at least now, that [v6plaque]460[/v6plaque] will go to a good home.........

 

[Chris V6]

It's not gone to a good home yet, it now on piston heads with a dealer for 29k I know prices are going up fast but that's very fast !

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/ ... 02/5167584

 

[Chris V6]

Ignor my post should have read page one before page two lol

 

[Kett]

There's a element of risk when buying at auction.

I wouldn't have sunk £20k into a Vee without having an opportunity to go over it with a fine tooth comb and giving the owner a proper grilling.

Sure, if it checks out then it was a decent win for the trader...

 

[AndyD]

Found it for sale! Should have read the full thread, sorry!

http://www.parkwayspecialistcars.co.uk/ ... hatchback/

 

[AcidV6]

Lol at this thread.

Not sure how you can even post in this thread dulan claiming to be a private buyer when you had the had the LY v6 less than a year & listed it at £42k via a dealer to put near 20k across it in profit...

Must make you a real 'enthusiast'... I guess Ali saw through the patter....

Surely based on your comments & ethic you would have not taken it to a dealer & sold it private for less removing the dealer fee ? Otherwise doesnt that make you guilty of the same sin as what your berating the dealership for ie artifically inflating a cars value to cover the fees?
As an enthusiast how many miles has it done in your ownership.....

Infact in a way if the dealers put 10k across it & you put 20 across yours then that must make you exactly 100% ethically worse than the dealer

Just saying....

 

[AcidV6]

The reality of these cars ( the artifically inflated price ones ) is that they dont sell-

They are passed from trader to trader who think they know best or are trying to cash in on the action.
Sometimes this happens over 2 / 3 years

Until the once in a blue moon thing happens where someone comes along with more money than sense - & the same will happen with this car & the one that popped up on my facebook today where the dealer had said he paid 32k for a ph2 - ( on 30k miles ) - ok then pull the other one its got bells on.

Theres only been 2 traders ( maybe 3 ) that have bought these cars - done the correct restoration to them & put nominal margins in them
Thats myself & Steve Coulter of all vehicles.

You may say more fool us - but at the end of the day I will sell 30 cars & make a margin after 1 year & have 30 happy customers that will come back as opposed to the 1 unhappy customer that will buy this & suddenly realise the preps been gash.

Integrity..... Not everyone has it.

 

[Kett]

I'm not sure how you guys think Dulan has made a killing on his LY.
Folk conveniently forget that servicing and professional storage cost significant bucks.
Additionally, he paid top whack for it - unlike some traders (masquerading as members) who have historically tried to undervalue on here.

Dulan - there is a whole lot of love for you on here, with a sprinkling of green-eyed envy! x

 

[Lankan]

I'm not sure how you guys think Dulan has made a killing on his LY.
Folk conveniently forget that servicing and professional storage cost significant bucks.
Additionally, he paid top whack for it - unlike some traders (masquerading as members) who have historically tried to undervalue on here.

Dulan - there is a whole lot of love for you on here, with a sprinkling of green-eyed envy! x

Thank you Kett.

I will not bother responding to the posts before yours, but suffice to say that there are some of us with principles and ethics, and some that clearly don't even understand what the words mean......