21t Ductile iron liners

[-Jo-]

are you going to literally test them to destruction?

if you wanna call it like that, yes. Its pretty easy, whe do custom maps at the dyno so every move/setting is controlled.

what psi are you thinking of running too??

On std liners, safe boost with custom map: 20-22 psi
On steel liners +3 bar (+44 psi) tested

I know you run high pressure already, is that on steel liners?

yes and its not that high. At the moment i'm running 23.5 psi because its useless to put more boost because the cam cant handle it (crap cam :icon_lol

you never know they might just hold everything you chuck at them? :icon_cool:?

possible, whe will see.

what were you thinking of by way of a contribution ????

depends what 21toc-managment desides :icon_question:

 

[mb123]

yes and its not that high. At the moment i'm running 23.5 psi because its useless to put more boost because the cam cant handle it (crap cam :icon_lol

I take it its not that piper 276? ..... or is it? :icon_eek:

depends what 21toc-managment desides :icon_question:

OK, I would be happy to chip in a bit if its reasonable and others do the same.
I'm in no rush as I've got at least a month of welding to do before I worry about engines! :icon_rolleyes: :icon_wink:

 

[Lee_R21Turbo]

ROTFL @ 21TOC Management chipping in to buy steel liners for testing!!!

I think not!!!

 

[-Jo-]

Why not ? I'm paying for the testset wich is obvious more expansive then the groupbuy-deal. Gasketset, fitment, testsession, dyno and more. I cant see why they dont want to be involved ?

 

[DaveL485]

Why not ? I'm paying for the testset wich is obvious more expansive then the groupbuy-deal. Gasketset, fitment, testsession, dyno and more. I cant see why they dont want to be involved ?

Because they're skint mate, no ? in the bank :icon_lol:

 

[-Jo-]

ok, i understand that but where not talking about 1000's ???/???.

liners: 75x4=300
gasketset/hg/linerseals = 150 ? (rough)
pistonrings: 165 ?
bigends/mains: in stock
oil/coolant: in stock
dyno/custom map/eprom-chip: 225/250

If whe come to a deal on the liners then i will supply the other parts. I dont think thats to much to ask ??? I'm sure that more 21T owners are interested in the liners. If i'm talking/think ****e, just say so then i'll do it on my own.

Look at long term's, if the club can take several sets in stock then you can sell them in France and other country's with small profits.

 

[danb]

sounds like a fair comment Jo, you do provide the club with a lot of knowledge through experience and physically testing things - which alot of us just cant afford do..

 

[administrator]

Jo - fantastic idea Jo , Ill put a poll up

 

[-Jo-]

Fair enough, then whe can close this issue.

Thx to John (Jacw), for the information.

 

[mb123]

Fair enough, then whe can close this issue.

Thx to John (Jacw), for the information.

Jo,

Like I said earlier, I'd be personally prepared to chip in to help. :icon_smile:
You could do it and only share your results with those who pay a bit towards the testing?

:icon_idea: Alternatively we could organise a group buy and all add a little extra to our costs. You get the extra Jo and then you can test and tell us how far we can push them.. :icon_smile:

 

[ferswin]

I could put a little towards it as well :icon_wink:

 

[shep]

im still on bolt on bits,havnt got to that point yet

 

[DaveL485]

Jo - fantastic idea Jo , Ill put a poll up

So, let me guess this straight.

You can't give any 'more' to the members because you told me funds were low, we can't even afford bandwidth FFS.

Now you're looking at speculating with club funds?

I'd like you to justify this please.


Jo-No offence to you intended I think it's a great idea and if I hadn't got mine i'd chuck in, but I think some people need to consider priorities.

 

[administrator]

So, let me guess this straight.

You can't give any 'more' to the members because you told me funds were low, we can't even afford bandwidth FFS.

Now you're looking at speculating with club funds?

I'd like you to justify this please.


Jo-No offence to you intended I think it's a great idea and if I hadn't got mine i'd chuck in, but I think some people need to consider priorities.

I cant justify it. I wont !

I wanted , well more accuratly , the chairman wanted a members vote on this.

Can I refer you to my answer on the other post Dave ?

 

[-Jo-]

forget my question, apalogys for the proposal.

So far 4/5 people are interested in the liners. If whe trow in 20/25 ?, the diff. between the testset and groupbuyprice is already covered. I'll take care off the rest. This can be done true PM.

Didnt want to start anything that causes troubles between members.

 

[administrator]

forget my question, apalogys for the proposal.

So far 4/5 people are interested in the liners. If whe trow in 20/25 ?, the diff. between the testset and groupbuyprice is already covered. I'll take care off the rest. This can be done true PM.

Didnt want to start anything that causes troubles between members.

Nope , Jo , poll started.

Just cos lanky wants to shout in the corner doesnt mean we have to listen.

This place is a democracy for the members , not those that shout loudest.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion .

 

[Andyquadra]

I wanted , well more accuratly , the chairman wanted a members vote on this.

Well I was talking to Craig today and I was going to start the vote myself, but couldn't seem to see how to. So phoned Craig back and he said he'd phone you to see how.

Andy

 

[DaveL485]

forget my question, apalogys for the proposal.

By all means continue Jo, you're asking what many before you have asked....previously the answer has been no but it seems you may be the first to break the mould. If that's the case then fair play.

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This place is a democracy for the members , not those that shout loudest.

Which is precisely why this vote will be severely biased unless you make effort to inform all the membership clan whats happening. If this were the case, i'd happily STFU.

Would Gordon Brown be allowed to retain office by holding an election that he only told a few people about?

 

[administrator]

Well I was talking to Craig today and I was going to start the vote myself, but couldn't seem to see how to. So phoned Craig back and he said he'd phone you to see how.

Andy

Indeed. And I said I would sort.

Andy , for reference , polls are done after you post , if that makes sense ? Check out the options at the bottom of a new post , there is the option for a poll , check it , adn then click post , you can then enter poll options on the next page.

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Which is precisely why this vote will be severely biased unless you make effort to inform all the membership clan whats happening. If this were the case, i'd happily STFU.

Would Gordon Brown be allowed to retain office by holding an election that he only told a few people about?

Dude , informing the users ( of which a guesstimates 90% renewed ONLINE ! ) will not force a large turnout.

 

[craig21t]

well

actually I was contacted by a few members about this, and we said that if the members want to support Jo in this, that club funds may be used to part finance this as these liners work out way cheaper than steel ones and that would benefit members. As we want it to be fair to all members we put this up for a vote, as the money in the bank is from all members so the surplus could be used how members wish. Also then if the liners work out good, we would get the opportunity to purchase some and sell them on, probably to the french guys etc.