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v6 exhausts, potential hearing damage, long post!

Duncan

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I was talking about this at the recent northern meet and thought I'd look into it a little bit more and just provide some information/advise for people.

I'm an acoustic engineer by trade and currently 90% of the way through a diploma in acoustics, so have a rough basis of knowledge in a very complex subject. excuse me if I waffle on as it will be a bit of an essay, ive tried to stick to the main points only, some of you may find this interesting and after all, you only get one set of ears.

The quicksilver Super Sports is rated at 98dB at approx 6k rpm. Now this information is pretty much useless. They have provided a single figure which doesn’t tell you much, i.e. where that 98dB exists, or what frequencies contribute to it. Sound is usually measured across a spectrum covering low, medium and high frequencies. And just a simple 98dB doesn’t tell you what frequencies attribute to this level, whether that’s in the car, at the exhaust pipes, a metre from the exhaust pipes, if at ear height behind the car, or at floor level etc. Id imagine its measured at 1 metre from exit point, 1.5 metres above the ground to avoid reflections...but it could be right at the tailpipes.

But one thing's for sure, its bloody loud!!!

98dB is relating to the pressure or the power of the sound within air (the manufacturer doesnt confirm which, i assume it's pressure). We as humans do not hear this in such a manner and there's a correction that you need to apply to it to make the figure appear inline with human response this is called 'A-Weighting' and signaled by an (A) - i.e. 98dB(A) .

Now I can't see anywhere which details that quicksilver quoted in dB(A), although this information should be available, it isn't. The A weighting correction at the lower frequencies (where the exhaust boom exists) is a reduction so what we hear would be 98dB(A) or lower.

The standard exhaust is quoted at 81dB. Now whilst both measurements are useless without taking the measurements to the proper standards…it does give you an idea of the difference.

Decibels (db) are measured on a logrhythmic scale. for example 98dB is double the volume, or twice as loud at 95dB. for each 10dB, the volume level increases by 10 times. ie 90dB is 10 times louder than 80dB.

98 dB is 17dB louder than the standard exhaust of 81dB, which means the super sports theorectically produces the equivalent noise of approximately 50 standard exhausts. (81+10log50 - for the maths geeks)

Louder sounds cause damage in a short period of time. Estimation of a safe duration of exposure is possible using an exchange rate of 3 dB. As 3 dB represents a doubling of intensity of sound, duration of exposure must be cut in half to maintain the same energy dose.
For example, the "safe" daily exposure amount at 85 dB(A) is 8 hours, while the "safe" exposure at 91 dB(A) is only 2 hours. Also, not everyone is the same and for some people, sound may be damaging at even lower levels than 85 dB(A).

Therefore the crux of the whole point,
Standard exhaust: 81dB - Below maximum daily exposure level - no time limit needed.
Quicksilver Sports: 91dB - Max dose 2Hrs in one day.
Quicksilver Supersports: 98dB, is limited to approx 30 mins exposure in one day.

This is a very rough approximation due to the quality of the information available, however, if you overstep these durations you may risk hearing damage.

In order to get actual values, id need to conduct an experiment to British standards and basically have a sound pressure level meter in the cabin where the ear would be and take an overall dB(A) reading. My fear is that the reverberant/resonant field within the cabin will be louder than the levels measured outside the car. The sound will get trapped within the car and reflect all over the place to give an impression of increased volume.

This may actually be worse inside the cabin at 2-3k rpm than it would be at 6k rpm, the lower the engine speed, the lower the frequency of the sound is produced (i.e. diesel bus at idle vs formula one car at 18k rpm).

High frequency noise is easy to control, low frequency is not. for example high frequency could be blocked with a sheet of paper, low frequency can go straight through concrete.

Sound levels increase with proximity; as the source is brought closer to the ear, the sound level increases. This is why music is more likely to cause damage at the same output when listened to through headphones, as the headphones are in closer proximity to the ear drum than a loudspeaker. With the invention of in-ear headphones, these dangers are increased. Also bear in mind that hearing damage is hereditary!

The solutions:
1. The principle of all noise control is to reduce noise at the source. which would mean, change the exhaust…which although good advise is not what owners would wish.

2. reduce your exposure. simple enough…don’t drive for longer periods of time a day. fine, until you want to drive somewhere of reasonable distance and not a practicle option

3. Noise control at the receiver (your ear),
rays bulkhead design appears to be very successful, no recorded data, but i would imagine a 5,10dB+ reduction is feasble it may even be higher. My only comment in terms of acoustics would be the bulkhead is only as good as the installation. Any air gaps will completely undermine its performance.

Another option is ear plugs…which again are only effective if used correctly and worn in the correct manor, good ones are expensive…..but and here's the good bit, WILL make the difference. You can get earplugs to reduce 35dB+ which is way more than needed and would save your hearing.

Hearing deteriorates with age naturally, the last thing you want to do is speed it up. When you damage your hearing you loose the ability to to differentiate between consonants and vowels and conversation becomes harder. hearing aids, despite technology, are no replacement for a good set of ears & can be as bad as they are good.

remember kids, damage to your ears is irreversible!!
 
Excellent article Duncan and, thanks to your input last week, we also know where to site speakers :-)

Martin
 
Yea thanks Duncan (in a saracastic tone - only kidding) - I got an earful off Kat on the way back from Hawes after she found that out over lunch. Luckily, I couldn't hear a word she was saying! :)

On a serious note - good advice and write up. I didn't realise the QS sS was that close to the limits. Defintaly, need to invest in some ear plugs for France now!
 
Very interesting Duncan, thanks for enlightening us. A very informative and easy to understand read.

OQ Sports exhaust anyone.!? lol.. Good job its not my daily drive, and it isnt an OMG!

It would be very interesting to carry out a few experiments from within the car itself, which lets face it.. is where the damage is going to take place. Please give me a shout if you'd like to use my car for the QS Sport test. We could take this further too.. Milky has the OMG I beleive, and perhaps Peter could be persueded into the test with his Janspeed!

Let me know!

Shaun
 
Guillaume":26cevp3h said:
Very interesting Duncan, thanks for enlightening us. A very informative and easy to understand read.

OQ Sports exhaust anyone.!? lol.. Good job its not my daily drive, and it isnt an OMG!

It would be very interesting to carry out a few experiments from within the car itself, which lets face it.. is where the damage is doing to take place. Please give me a shout if you'd like to use my car for the QS Sport test. We could take this further too.. Milky has the OMG I beleive, and perhaps Peter could be persueded into the test with his Janspeed!

Let me know!

Shaun

Yea be good to do a comparison test between makes - YouTube clip it!
 
sorry matt!! lol!! the converstation with you really made me think about how dangerous it is.

It would be intresting to undertake a proper acoustic survey and measure the individual exhausts as you mention Shaun. I would happily wave the £500 consultancy fee for the good of the clubs hearing too ;-).

The only problem is getting a meter, work might not let me borrow an 11 thousand pound meter for non work related use. I occasionally have them for surveys though, so next time I do, we will see if we can arrange something! Would definately be usefull info for all.
 
Matt":3m217dgt said:
Yea thanks Duncan (in a saracastic tone - only kidding) - I got an earful off Kat on the way back from Hawes after she found that out over lunch. Luckily, I couldn't hear a word she was saying! :)

How many decibels was she wailing at Matt..?

JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU CAN HEAR ME!! :wink: :wink:
 
Guillaume":2mpf5t4p said:
Matt":2mpf5t4p said:
Yea thanks Duncan (in a saracastic tone - only kidding) - I got an earful off Kat on the way back from Hawes after she found that out over lunch. Luckily, I couldn't hear a word she was saying! :)

How many decibels was she wailing at Matt..?

JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU CAN HEAR ME!! :wink: :wink:

Way more than the OMG! :)
 
'Sounds' good Duncan...! [smilie=drunken_smilie1.gif]

I'd be equally prepared to wave the vehicle hire charge.. lol I'm think the results here will be very interesting!!
 
so duncan every one will go deaf with after market exhausts so theres a good case for them to buy one of my bulk heads to reduce potential ear damadge bulk buy discounts available on group orders
 
Anyone know where to get decent earplugs from - will standard ones from say Wilkinsons do the trick?
 
haha, basically ray...yes!! i think your bulkhead design is a great solution as you can still listen to music and have conversations whilst in the car.

Matt, i'm not sure what the wilkinsons ones provide, have a look on the packet, you would need about a 15dB+ reduction, that should see you on the safe side.

or try here :

http://www.allearplugs.com/AEPCAT2/Nois ... -Plugs.htm

can get some good reductions for reasonable money. just make sure you read the instructions carefully and place them in exactly right. also bear in mind, not everyones ears respond the same, and results can vary by 5dB.
 
Matt":3o34zduy said:
Anyone know where to get decent earplugs from - will standard ones from say Wilkinsons do the trick?

Dont think we have "Wilkinsons" down here Matt.. most good protective clothing outlets will have them. You could also try a gun-smith or out door persuit shop.

I'll be bringing some with me from work for the French trip I think, lol. Altough I didnt really feel I needed them on our road trip to the South of France a couple of years ago.

EDIT. Sorry Duncan, didn't read your post above. Good site you added btw!!
 
Ironic then perhaps that the (primary) reason people put load exhausts on is for a louder exhaust note which, if too loud, really should be surpressed inside the cabin - to protect hearing and improve the driveability of the Vee ...

It could follow that a logical hypothesis is actually, that owners of unbearably loud exhausts who subsequently surpress them, may not be fitting them for themselves to appreciate the exhaust note, but that it is done to attract further 'look at me / hear me' attention from passers by ? BTW not mean't in a patronising or critical way - just drilling into the motives for different modifications ...

I guess in all honesty, I personally don't see the fascination with loud exhausts on a Vee given how great the standard one sounds (IMHO) when you get the engine revving ... And this is largely because I don't enjoy the sound of a loud exhaust inside or outside a car - but I have had cars with loud exhausts in the past and, in some cases, had them fitted ...

Martin
 
....Or for long motorway journeys (i.e to France), when the Vee isn't normally the daily driver then ear plugs would be necessary.

Must admit I enjoy the sound of the QS much better than standard or the KTEC but if it was my daily driver then i think I'd struggle with it tbh!
 
I am interested to know why though the OMG exhaust sounds so loud inside the cabin given you can hardly hear the stock one or the engine with the engine covers on ... From my memory though the OMG sound is more of an annoying loud drone at around 3-4 K rpm ...

Are you suggesting Duncan, this could be due to the low frequency of the noise which penetrates into the cabin more easily ? In which case would the bulkhead work effectively on the OMG ? I know Mossy has a bulkhead but he doesn't have the OMG on ...

I can appreciate an OMG (or loud exhaust) has some qualities when the engine is going up and down the revs ...

Martin
 
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That was the best article i have read on this forum!! - Hat off to you!! - Very knowledgable!
 
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