21 Turbo J2 MHR

[Haz]

You may have seen this car pop up a while back but I wanted to start a new thread on a more positive note! it seems this quadra has been owned by a few members so feel free to add any extra pics and info to help with the history.
A quick refresh, I was looking for a quadra and came across this one. Dried stored but needing tlc and didn't seem too much of a project.
















I bought it blind and after much faffing it was delivered.
After an inspection it needed a lot more than I was looking to take on for a personal project, it's been patched and painted in the past and ideally in need of a restoration, so it been pushed to the side for a while.

 

[Haz]

With a bit more space and spare time I've brought the quadra back in for a strip down and to see what's involved.
I had already removed the engine and a few items to keep them clean in storage.













Screw mod in mirror


Seals gone






Door rot


Qtr trim removed


Boot rot


And a quick look in the boot

 

[Haz]

The body wants bits all over, as does everything attached to it so parts removed to access - refit, refurb or replace. Self explanatory.

 

[Haz]

More pictures as the the car is stripped around the back end.

 

[Haz]

More parts removed

 

[Haz]

More bodywork and bits

 

[andybond]

You nearly broke my browser with you recent posting @Haz! Top job mate.
Are the plans still a freshen up , or has it gone past that stage now ?

 

[Haz]

Well I try :ag:
I think it's had too many freshen ups in the past and and too far gone so in need of a full restoration now. The plan is to strip it right back and start again. Sort out all the rot, under seal, paintjob and refurb/replace everything. As close to showroom as possible, oe+.

 

[Deleted member 486]

As one of the prior custodians of this car I am shocked at how bad this has become. When I sold it to Craig (and he fitted a new engine due to the original one being shagged) it was a pretty straight car. Alright, that was 12 years ago or so and it seems to have suffered the fast/cheap car syndrome of no-one wanting to spend proper money on it to sort it. Glad to see she's getting a second lease on life.

It already had a Ph2 2WD ECU on the car when I bought it all that time ago from a guy in Ipswich. It then had oil pressure issues and chewed through 2 turbos (and a clutch hydraulic system) before I sold it to Craig.

 

[DaveL485]

Well I try :ag:
I think it's had too many freshen ups in the past and and too far gone so in need of a full restoration now. The plan is to strip it right back and start again. Sort out all the rot, under seal, paintjob and refurb/replace everything. As close to showroom as possible, oe+.

I don't think anyone would question my affinity for 21's mate, but if that were mine i'd send it to the crusher unless it was maybe my own car that i've owned 17-odd years. Thats really not in a good way. I do, however, applaud the fact you're going to have a crack at it!

 

[jamesc]

"Do you see the beast?...This should present no significant problems" (Trainspotting)

Looks better than I thought, if anyone can sort it out you can fella

 

[Turbjj]

You are a brave man

 

[Haz]

It does look ok on top, but that's the bit most see and do make the effort. Underneath is to the discretion of those doing the job. An attempt has been made with por15 or the likes just the prep prior is what has let it down, same for most of the running gear.
It still has the same ecu. Unsure if the chip will swap over to a quadra ecu? I assume so.

I agree Dave, it's worse than the tungy I've just chopped up for scrap! But they are getting rare and I'm sure others aren't much better. The history within the club makes it worthwhile saving. Cue sourcing parts! Haha.

I think it looks worse than it is, just a lot of surface rust. We'll see!

Cheers, or stupid??

 

[|sAs|]

Isn't the main difference between a quadra ecu and a fwd one that the fwd has boost limiter in 1st (& 2nd?)? If so, the chipped ecu will likely have that removed and won't be any different than a chipped quadra ecu? But @DaveL485 is the expert on these things

 

[DaveL485]

Unsure if the chip will swap over to a quadra ecu?

The only difference in the Quadra ECU's is that it doesnt limit boost in first gear like the 2wd...this rarely works anyway as most dont even have the amal valve any more.

The main electronics differences are between Dizzy and Dizzyless engines, and then in the 2wd/Quadra ABS systems which are very different...the Quadra system adds a 5th sensor for G-force (sits on top of the transmission tunnel) and fault diagnosis, which you activate by bridging 2 pins in the XR25 port and watch the ABS light flash out codes, kinda like morse code.

 

[|sAs|]

You need to write a complement to the workshop manuals, but for humans to read

 

[DaveL485]

You need to write a complement to the workshop manuals, but for humans to read

Why when I can just lurk around here and answer what you need to know, when you need to know it

 

[danb]

Jesus Christ..

That is all.

 

[Haz]

I've had a little time to poke around more to see what's involved.
It seems most previous repairs are either really old or not done to last, plus the areas that haven't been attempted.
Unsure how oe it is going to be when finished so took some pics of the stickers just in case.


Decided it was best to start chopping out the existing repairs and inspect. Started on the ns leg
Bumper mount




Round the os



Thought I'd tackle this with a decent section


Deciding how much leg to remove to replace the subframe mount, only to notice the ph1 I've cut up for sections has a different style mount


So poked around the sills instead. Os

And then the ns


Jacking point/floor repair

Then started on the inside

Sills and jacking points were as expected but the front end is going to need a lot more work fabricating and de rusting!

 

[Haz]

This one is going to need a lot of time not to mention parts to make it a really nice example so I thought I'd see what's been hoarded to work out what has to be sourced, and a bit of motivation! The interior is mostly there, just a few better items required which I've got in storage. More so for new/upgrade bits.
So I got digging!

Some pace intercoolers with new bobbins


Hose set, mostly silicone and a tank that should clean up.


An almost perfect heatsheild


An undamaged grille


Strut top donuts and bearings with bump stops


Engine and box mounts


Leads and plugs


Gearknob


Fuel filter


Rear discs


Barely used pads


Strutbrace


Rear spring hat


Some fans

Missing plastics


Foglight


Good door seals


Strut and front abs wiring


Subframe bushes


A few brackets, grubby but not rusty


Some gaskets


Belts


These need more work but a bit more bling


That's a few bits less to worry about.
If anyone has anything stashed away I'm looking for :
Donor shell?
Sills,
Jacking points,
Rear suspension arm bushes and bolts,
Front subframe and bolts,
Exhaust system - stainless,

More to be added I'm sure!