Clio oops I did it again... Adey's Clio 200 EDC

[Adey]

Its basically a manual but dual clutched, almost like 2 gearboxs in one. 1st 3rd 5th on one shaft with a clutch and 2nd 4th and 6th on the second shaft with a clutch. if its in one gear, the next gear is locked and loaded ready for the shift. Same as a dsg or pdk. It does have some trick electronic diff stuff in the car too which taps a brake calliper to divert power, it could well do this whilst on boost so need the pump? no idea tbh.

 

[cossie1]

It does have some trick electronic diff stuff in the car too which taps a brake calliper to divert power, it could well do this whilst on boost so need the pump? no idea tbh.

Sounds the most likely reason to me.

 

[Steve Swan]

Does it have a clutch pedal?

 

[Adey]

Does it have a clutch pedal?

Nope, 2 pedals like an auto

 

[andybond]

Adey, any idea how the ducting will take to heat?
Only reason I ask is sometimes I start up my exige in the garage and need to duct the exhaust out of the garage really. Curious how you think it would cope with a bit of heat on it ?

 

[Adey]

@andybond specs say "- Operating Temperature: (-) 60°C to (+) 260°C" if you are only at idle I think it should be OK

I purchased it from demon tweaks

 

[andybond]

@andybond specs say "- Operating Temperature: (-) 60°C to (+) 260°C" if you are only at idle I think it should be OK

I purchased it from demon tweaks

Noted and thanks!

 

[Brigsy]

Adey, any idea how the ducting will take to heat?
Only reason I ask is sometimes I start up my exige in the garage and need to duct the exhaust out of the garage really. Curious how you think it would cope with a bit of heat on it ?

Open the door. Probably want a fan to pull fumes out with ducting like a dyno setup.

 

[andybond]

Open the door. Probably want a fan to pull fumes out with ducting like a dyno setup.

I have done so already but my CO meter goes off. I wanted a duct to just take it further out of the garage.

 

[Steve Swan]

Might be a good idea to use the aluminised stuff for the first metre then the ordinary stuff. Especially if you are going to place it over the tailpipe. It's great to pack away as it takes up less space than the aluminium stuff.

 

[Brigsy]

I have done so already but my CO meter goes off. I wanted a duct to just take it further out of the garage.

Reverse out of garage. Done

 

[andybond]

Reverse out of garage. Done

I cant always do this as my sons car is in the way.

 

[Adey]

So it looks like my clutch pack is starting to let go. I'm told there is a common issue where the rear main seal mists a bit of oil onto the rear friction plate. This shows itself initially with the car reducing boost/power when it sense slip in 5th gear. So I pile through the gears and it gets to 5th and goes slower, shift to 6th and it goes full bore again. You can see the boost pressure drop down to just under a bar then climb slowly with the revs. The cars ecu monitors input and output shaft speed of the gearbox by the looks of it. It is likely effecting 3rd also but as it whips through quite quickly I'm probably not noticing it. We did keep the torque relatively low to try and keep everything together so this leans more on a contamination issue but that said it is now on 98k... Id say on a stock car you would never notice unless looking for it or if it was really bad.

I'm looking to get a stronger clutch made up by helix (through Ktec) to replace the current one, just awaiting a new rear main seal to come into stock before I drop the car off. This will be the first major job I've not undertaken in many years. To do the job the gearbox needs to be fully removed and some specialist tools used to remove and press the clutch pack into the gearbox.

Hopefully it will all go well, then later in the year I can jump back on the quest for power with bigger injectors and a few other tweaks, the clutch will be hitting the wallet a touch hard though.

 

[Steve Swan]

What else can you expect, to be fair it has done a lot of work already.

 

[Mark_L]

Personally I don’t rate Helix clutches, we use them and they’re usually rebranded luk ones. Maybe just for what we’re doing?

Not considered cg motorsport? Find a used unit to give them and see what they can do?

 

[Adey]

I've not seen a used unit for sale, and a new items start at £1400. They will essentially be rebuilding the housing/pack and relining the 2 clutch plates with "better" material. The oem is meant to be at its limit at 285lbft, so it has to do more than that for me to consider it a success. Essentially as I'm going through a 3rd party who sell it as a product with fitting, if it doesn't meet expectations I can take it up with them?

as a side note I've used both helix and CG multiple times in past with no issues

 

[Steve Swan]

Is it slipping in all the gears? Would have thought it would start in 3rd and get worse as the mechanical advantage decreases or gear number increases. Never known a dying clutch have a favourite gear. Could it be anything else causing an issue in one gear only. Maybe the ECU has a means of limiting torque in the lower gears to prevent bad failures. It would be hard to tell as a full throttle start is impossible on this type of vehicle. You will really only be able to lean on it hard in the top 3 in the dry.

 

[cossie1]

Is it slipping in all the gears? Would have thought it would start in 3rd and get worse as the mechanical advantage decreases or gear number increases. Never known a dying clutch have a favourite gear. Could it be anything else causing an issue in one gear only. Maybe the ECU has a means of limiting torque in the lower gears to prevent bad failures. It would be hard to tell as a full throttle start is impossible on this type of vehicle. You will really only be able to lean on it hard in the top 3 in the dry.

Twin clutches, 1 for 1st, 3rd, 5th and the other for 2nd, 4th and 6th

 

[Steve Swan]

Ah. Ok so it's the 1,3&5 clutch that's the issue. Are they stacked back to back with a solid and hollow shaft??

 

[Adey]

here you go @Steve Swan this may answer some of your questions on the gearbox