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I've gone a little bit OEM....sorry.

Brett

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With my vee being off the road for so long, prices of them soaring and trying to fund a race car I felt it was time to ditch the move to use an Audi engine recently. Knowing full well that many heavily frowned upon me for my move to Audi power and that I needed to find another 15mm to fit it, I decided to pick myself a low mileage, stock Renault V6 up. I have however gone for the later spec 3.5l V4Y engine found in the VelSatis and Espace.

They are to many better known as the Vq35 engine or "the 350z engine". They are also found in the Megane V6 Trophy and Renault Twinrun. After some research, it turns out there are 2 different types of engine block. RWD and FWD. The 350z engine will fit but the engine mounts are cast incorrectly on the block for fitment to the Clio. It also has no where to bolt a driveshaft bearing carrier for a transverse engine. These are the blocks used by RenaultSport in their mid engine race cars. Luckily for me, Nissan and Renault had redeveloped the engine for FWD use. Exactly the same internal architecture, just different mountings. Perfect! A very easy 300hp n/a engine was on the cards for very little outlay. After picking up a great example from an Espace, myself and brother took the trusty tape measure out. It looked promising. Now we had a 250hp Renault engine to start with.

Then it came to the gearbox. There was no way I was going to fit the fragile PK6 to potentially 300+hp. This left me stuck as Renault has only ever bolted automatic gearboxes to the engine which for obvious reasons I'm not going to use. However Nissan has come to the rescue. Although not available in this country, Nissan used the engine in the fwd Maxima and Altima. Luck would have it it, they were fitted with a sturdy 6 speed. The C12 box. Biggest bonus? Many came with an LSD or ATB diff. The problem is, not being available in this country, availability is a problem. Then after a good chunk more digging around it turns out nissan also fitted the same gearbox to the SR20 4 cylinder engine. Widely available here in the UK just with a different bell housing. Where could I find it? In a 2.0 Primera. At this point I had doubts about its strength once again but luckily, the c12 gearbox shares the same gear set as the Mitsubishi Evo 8/9. Now with the correct vq35 bellhousing, Primera gearbox and Maxima driveshafts I have a package that works for the vee!!

Does it fit?? Hell yes! It's nearly a straight fit using the original Ph1 Clio v6 gearbox mount and a lightly modified Espace top mount as pictures show. I just need to relocate the pin for the top mount by 15mm. Dead easy! At this point I still have quite a bit to get. Luckily there is lots of support with the Nissan engine. I'll be getting some tubular exhaust manifold from a Maxima this week which will connect to a Trophy back box Mr Patchall has so kindly found me. It will also be fitted with ITB's which are dead easy to get my hands on before it goes to LynxAE for aftermarket management. Another perk of fitting the newer engine is that it's 65kg lighter and that's with big cast exhaust manifolds and chunky inlet.

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This shows how little I need to offset the mount by. Excuse the temporary wooden support!
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Plenty of room next to the timing covers
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Stock Clio gearbox donut mount
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All in all I am very VERY pleased with it. It all needs to come out again for a good clean and newer gearbox but it's getting there.
 
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That's a shame I was really looking forward to giving the Audi Vee a pasting, all the fun has gone out of my project now ! :(

Couldn't you have just bored out the original engine to 3.5 l ?
 
ed_harland":3hpqo6dc said:
That's a shame I was really looking forward to giving the Audi Vee a pasting, all the fun has gone out of my project now ! :(

Couldn't you have just bored out the original engine to 3.5 l ?


What are you upto then Ed??! Lol

I could have stretched the original 4xv to 3.5l but baring in mind it would want new custom liners to get up to anything like that capacity, then new pistons etc etc I would probably only land about 40hp on stock ph2 stuff. From that point on I'd have to get the heads breathing properly and add better rods for higher rpm. That would be around 300hp for many thousands of pounds. Then I'd have to deal with the chocolate teapot gearbox. It makes no financial sense doing that to a road car in my opinion.
This will make that nearly out the crate once a good exhaust is fitted. Many people are knocking out over 350hp with throttle bodies and cams. A few are even over the 400 mark with stock cylinder heads. All good fun
 
I think this should be moved to Special Projects, it's far from straight forward, progress reports and problems overcome will make interesting reading ! This could be a good 'upgrade' for an OEM vee.

Any chance the C12 gearbox would fit our 3 litre block ?

I'm hoping my first build will produce around the 350bhp mark and my budget is about £5K ! I'm not starting until after ORS as I want to evaluate the car 'as is' before ripping into it.
 
Sounds great Ed! I'm hoping that with the exhaust manifolds, throttle bodies, late 350z cams, updated rod bolts and Emerald K6 ECU, 330-350hp will be on the cards.The C12 box fitted to the Maxima and Altima won't bolt up to the 3 litre block unfortunately. However for the sake of a bellhousing adaptor, driveshaft configuration and a way of sensing crank rotation there are a million and one gearboxes that could be used.
 
Have been focusing on getting my race car built to be honest Ed which takes up alot of time and money. I have however found what we think will be a plug and play ECU that will run the Nissan/Renault lump perfectly alongside all the standard v6 Dash signals etc. Will need a few pin adjustments but once done, it might pave the way for other vee owners who wish to fully remap their cars with out hastle.
 
Sounds interesting. I love all this stuff but you probably find like me that the ideas come faster than the wallet can keep up and that time allows ! :race:
 
Yeah its especially worse with two on the go. I know what I need to get the vee running but 500 quid here and a 1000 quid there goes along way to getting the other a little bit nearer the grid.
 
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