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In the Market for a V6

Oneball

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Hi,

I'm just starting out on a search for a V6 Clio after selling my Alpina B3s, I've got a 540i for taking stuff to the tip and have been having a long think about what to replace the Alpina with. After being less than blown away by the last couple of Porsches, they seem a bit normal, I hit upon the idea of V6. I first saw one in 2000 when 2 development cars overtook me going up Mount Ventoux and have always fancied one. Next question is PH1 or 2?????

Thanks in advance

Tim
 
Hi Tim,

You need a drive of both,

Relatively new on here myself, I went for a PH1 as I preferred the looks. It's widely acknowledged that the PH2 is a better driving experience ( not tried one myself ) but I love the PH1.

It's all subjective :approve:
 
Hi Tim
If you search around the forum there are some comparisons between Ph1 and 2. You'd be suprised how many members own both.
I'd be hard pushed to choose between them
 
Thanks all. I've had a good look through the forum and the comparisons between ph1 and ph2 are pretty much what I thought. Looks/price/more raw compared with improved drivability/better interior. Although I did read that the ph2 may be better built which I hadn't heard before.

There's actually more for sale than I thought there would be.
 
Tim, you will find that everybody gives a different view!
I'm very lucky having one of each. I started of with a Phase 2 in Liquid Yellow with a straight through exhaust, induction kit, big brakes and Treadline seats, and found it to be incredibly involving to drive, unlike most 'modern' cars. I liked it so much that I had to buy a Phase 1, which came along in Mars Red. This one is completely standard apart from a modified gear lever linkage, and is equally as enjoyable and involving as the Phase 2.

The Phase 1 is perhaps a little more focused than the Phase 2, with throttle response and clutch being more immediate. I found it quite difficult to drive smoothly in traffic as first, but moving the throttle pedal away from the brake pedal by 2 cms (now the same as the Phase 2) made it a bit easier with my size 12 feet!

The performance and handling is no different in the real world, driving on the road. Maybe on a track you'd find the difference, but both cars feel very planted driving quickly around twisty open roads at speed. The Phase 1 has been reported in the press as being dangerous and unforgiving right at the edge. So is the Phase 2, and every other mid-engined car, but you'd have to be driving like an idiot, or not used to rear wheel drive / mid engine, to get into trouble.

I can't see any difference in build quality between the two models. Both of my cars are low miles with original paint and have been well looked after. There is certainly no rust anywhere on either car, on top or underneath. The Phase 1 cars tended to be used more as everyday cars when they came out, so many had 5 plus years driving in the winter, and have some corrosion on the brake, suspension and subframe components. A lot more Phase 2 cars were bought as 2nd cars it seems, so there are more low-miles and cossetted ones around than there are Phase 1 cars.

I haven't heard of either car having to have bodyshells welded due to rust yet. The interiors in both of my cars are like new, and given that one is 14 years old, the other 11, that's quite impressive.

I think that if I was buy one today, it would be a Phase 1. A car in excellent condition is about £8k to £10k cheaper than a Phase 2 in the same condition, but really good cars don't become available very often. That price difference really isn't justified at all, and I can see in years to come that a really top Phase 1, which remember is much more rare that the same condition Phase 2, will command a higher price than the Phase 2. There is also more TWR content in the Phase 1, having been designed, developed and built by TWR.....that may make a difference to Brit fans of the car! There is also no doubting that the bug-eyed look of the phase 1 is pretty cute, and of course, in the collector car world, the first of most models is usually the one that appeals the most.

The most important thing to do is to join the club so you have access to all the information, and if you find a car you want to buy, ask about it on the forum first. Many cars are well know, and some have had a hard life, even though they may look all shinny on top.
 
Thanks Mark. I've already joined, seemed like money well spent.

The road testers reports of "dangerous" handling always seemed a bit of scare mongering to me. These same road testers heaped praise on Lotus Elise, I'm no Senna but I've been racing cars for years and I couldn't catch an Elise once you've gone over the limit, I think pretty much all short mid engined cars are the same.

Thanks for the build quality comparison and advice to get members' views on a prospective purchase.
 
Welcome Tim and best of luck with the hunt.

If you have no real preference between the two versions, I'd say buy on condition, which can vary substantially!
 
Welcome Tim.
Interesting comparison you make with the Elise. I had a Sport 160 before swapping for a Ph2. Lost the 160 a couple of times in the wet but never had any problems with the Vee. I personally feel it gives greater confidence and that a lot of the hyperbole written is for dramatic effect by the journos
Mine is now having some rot cut out at the rear, mainly due to being a daily driver through several Scottish salt laden winters but don't know how common rust is. Understand that the box section cartridge that the whole subframe engine mounts into was not well rustproofed. As they have become more valuable, owners might try and avoid talking about any rot in case theirs becomes black listed.
Good luck finding the right one for you, Ph1 or 2.
 
Probably down to budget as much as anything.

£20K or less and it will be a phase 1.
£20K might buy you a phase 2 if you are very lucky with most £25k+
£40K + might be needed for an unusual colour or low mileage phase 2
 
Welcome aboard Tim.

Seems like you have come into this with your eyes open, and did the right thing by joining up as a member, so there shouldn't be any surprises..........I joined the fold in Aug 2011 after years of owning both standard and motorsport versions of RWD, rear-engined cars made by a certain German manufacturer - proper old-school models without many (or any) driver aids, and found the Clio V6 Phase 2 (never driven a Phase 1 yet) to my liking, and felt at one with it from the word go.

I do however have tweaked mine a little to make it suit my driving style, and have induce a more 'rawer' feel to it by installing a lightweight flywheel (and Phase 1 clutch), which helps improve throttle response, and replaced the standard suspension with KW V3s, to reduce body roll, but have retained similar on-road handling characteristics. Having said that it is now known that Phase 1 clutches are no longer available from Renault, and a replacement has not yet been found, though some members are looking into alternatives.

At the end of the day it may come down to what you prefer, styling wise, and your budget. Either model can be made to suit your driving style with very few modifications that are completely reversible.

Good luck with the hunt.
 
Thanks all.

I'm somewhat leaning towards a ph1, I prefer the looks, I think they're better value in the current market and they're the one I was first blown away by in France 17 years ago plus my girlfriend says they're cuter and there's no arguing with that!
 
Oneball":2r549n2z said:
Hi,

I'm just starting out on a search for a V6 Clio after selling my Alpina B3s, I've got a 540i for taking stuff to the tip and have been having a long think about what to replace the Alpina with. After being less than blown away by the last couple of Porsches, they seem a bit normal, I hit upon the idea of V6. I first saw one in 2000 when 2 development cars overtook me going up Mount Ventoux and have always fancied one. Next question is PH1 or 2?????

Thanks in advance

Tim

I have a D3 Alpina and the Vee (and another couple of cars). Mine is a ph2. I love my Alpina but the Vee is something that always turns heads, the Alpina does too, Im expecting the MK1 Cooper S to also. Its not that I want to show off, its just to get an appreciative nod from another car fan.

Good luck with the search
 
Oneball":3tta5p9u said:
Hi,

I'm just starting out on a search for a V6 Clio after selling my Alpina B3s, I've got a 540i for taking stuff to the tip and have been having a long think about what to replace the Alpina with. After being less than blown away by the last couple of Porsches, they seem a bit normal, I hit upon the idea of V6. I first saw one in 2000 when 2 development cars overtook me going up Mount Ventoux and have always fancied one. Next question is PH1 or 2?????

Thanks in advance

Tim

I have a D3 Alpina and the Vee (and another couple of cars). Mine is a ph2. I love my Alpina but the Vee is something that always turns heads, the Alpina does too, Im expecting the MK1 Cooper S to also. Its not that I want to show off, its just to get an appreciative nod from another car fan.

Good luck with the search
 
Reading through bits of the forum I was surprised how many people have got a Vee and an proper Mini as well as had/have an Alpina. I guess they all attract the same sort of petrolhead.
 
yep i have mini too , phase 1 is my preference especially the looks but ,,, slowing down with work i might be selling my phase 1 next year , running the mini, vee , golf r32 , golf r , clio 172 cup track car , sunflower phase 1 , work van , two bikes something has to go , so drop me a line anyone who looking for a phase 1 with only 18500 miles that runs without fault. ps ,, enjoy the new phase 1 Tim.
 
My Mini is the one with infinite headroom, hails from Australia and has a 1275 fitted as standard. The kangaroo bars are very handy in the Gloucestershire countryside!
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