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COOLANT MIXTURE????

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Hi

Going to do the thermostat on the PH1 at work tomorrow (Bank hoildays are dead at work). Bought the T/Stat and going to pick the gasket at Renault today. How much red antifreeze do I need? I am thinking about 15 litres? Also, do I have to mix this with water for the cooling system i.e. not run the cooling system purely on neat antifreeze?

Any ideas welcome guys and girls.

Thanks
 
Here is a fitting guide in case you need it and for thread reference ...

Replacing Thermostat

I also concur that you need 15 litres of fluid but I found that bleeding out the old fluid required purging with new fluid - well that is how I did it anyway. This took a couple of extra litres to bleed it through, I think it was mainly the heater circuit which needed purging.

Martin
 
Hi Martin

I have read that link a few times but was just wondering exactly where the bleed valves are? Do I have to lay under the car or just reach into under the bonnet to get to them? Just off to Renault in a min in the Fire Engine to pick up the gasket ha...

Thanks
 
There is a manual in the knowledge base which shows pictures of the cooling system and bleed points and a description of what to do - which is more detailed than the one I did in the write-up.

Essentially the bleed points are ...

1. At the top of the radiator, driver side, a plug with a cross shaped depression for a screwdriver to undo it. This bleeds the radiator and prevents an air-lock.
2. On one of the heater hoses under the bonnet tray which has a small wheel type fitting moulded to the higher-most heater pipe. Can be undone by hand. This purges the heater circuit.
3. There may be one in the engine compartment on one of the bottom hoses, but I couldn't see one ...

To drain the system (my steps) ...

1. Move/lift the car to a location where fluid can be dropped or collected from underneath the car (not onto the garage floor) - ideally need to keep it level .
2. Undo the filler cap in the engine compartment.
3. Undo the radiator bleed point.
4. Remove the bottom radiator hose and be prepared for wet sleeves :badgrin:
5. At some stage during draining, undo the heater hose bleed point.

I have found that not all fluid drains out using the above method (which may or may not be correct) so ...

1. Put the radiator bleed plug back in, the bottom radiator hose off, leaving the heater one undone.
2. In the privacy of your own drive or garage ... Pressurise the cooling system - I pressurised it by blowing into the system and generating a constant pressure thus managing to purge more old coolant from the system, mainly from the heater circuit but also probably from the underfloor hoses [smilie=icon_eek.gif]

Before re-filling, as some old coolant will still be in the system (small volumes), and if you are bothered about this ...

1. Put the radiator bleed plug back in, the bottom radiator hose off, leaving the heater one undone.
2. Begin to put new coolant into the system via the filler bottle in the engine compartment.
3. As the system fills old fluid will be purged from the heater system as can be seen by old coloured coolant coming out of the heater bleed hose.
4. When the colour changes and you are happy, you can then proceed to filling up the system proper ... Which will, of course, require you to remember to put put the bottom radiator hose back on :wink:

I will stop writing anymore now as the re-filling and air purging procedures are documented in my article and in the manual.

Hope this helps anyway and remember, these are just my take on it - so there could be better ways etc ...

Martin
 
Martin

Thanks for that. You have been more than helpful. I will print these off and have it to hand whilst doing it tomorrow. Just been to renault and picked up the gasket and also Euro car parts to purchase the red coolant. Also, bought some lithium grease for the T/Stat. Will just drain it out in the yard and wash it down after.

Will post a relpy here tomorrow once done.

Thanks again
 
Forgot to add !!

1. Anitfreeze is poisonous so if you blow into the coolant filler bottle, avoid actually getting any anti-freeze in your mouth.
2. There may be some environmental impact in letting it drain onto your drive (if you don't collect it) so I would advice considering that ...

Martin
 
Hi

All done. What a pig. But quite easy. Seems a lot better now as it runs at normal temp now. The rubber gasket was a nightmare to put i though.

Just one thing to mention about bleeding the system. There are 2 brass allen key nipples on the T/Stat housing. These need to be bled as well.

Thanks for the advice.
 
Well done Kevin :approve:

Didn't know about the brass nipples but glad you got it all done ...

I removed the whole thermostat housing and so putting the gasket in wasn't too bad as I did it on the work bench and was able to press the gasket in place ... Did you leave the housing attached to hoses and install the gasket in situ ?

Martin
 
Hi. Took all the hoses and connectors off and took out the whole housing. Removed the old gasket and then pushed the new gasket in with thumbs and then tapping it slowly around the outside with a large socket and hammer. I think its sitting level? The thermostat seemed to slide up and down with ease with the use of grease.

I think the biggest ball acher was taking the engine covers off. I am glad I done it as now I can see how easy it is to do servicing etc?

Also, the thermostat I purchased from Euro Car parts is the same make as the original Renault one and is a fraction of the cost.

Got friendly with the guy in Euro car parts and said a complete timing belt kit from there works out at £170. Which I thought cheap. Also, front discs at £45 each.

It really is worth shopping around
 
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