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Clutch + Flywheel

Matt, i have no problem with folk that have limited knowledge, however i do have a problem with people that just dont listen, particularly when the answer i give is not the one that they want to hear.

In answer to your question, yes it is possible to re-balance the crank for the new flywheel, i do this all the time, but its one hell of a job as it involves a complete motor strip to get the crank out. this as you can imagine is way above most budgets. the cost of a balance will be around £400 if weight needs to come off but can be more if weight needs to be added.

the good part of having this done is any energy that is being wasted in the imbalance then comes out in the form of power, the figures i usually see on engines is between 1-2% not much i agree for the road but a lot when racing.

As for adding weight to the cranks, this is done by adding heavy metal. basically, drill a hole (calculated) then fill the hole with tungsten, the tungsten being heavier than steel adds weight and gives a corect balance. to remove weight just drill a hole in the crank web (again calculated). this is all done on a machine that dynamically balances the crankshaft at about 4000 rpm, a bit like a dynamic wheel balance machine.

incedentally, on a crank for a ducati that i recently had balanced it needed metal adding, the cost of the tungsten which was 20mm bar about 30mm long was £400 trade! then the cost of the balance. all well worth it as i had my best results yet with this on the dyno.

I hope this allows more understanding of the subject,

Spike.
 
SPIKE":3b8yngv0 said:
just to bear in mind that this mod has been done when thraping round the track for eight hours.

:rofl:

Are you on the right forum Spike? You must know that most of these cars don't even get driven anymore. Track you say???? [smilie=icon_eek.gif] [smilie=icon_eek.gif]


;) :)
 
matt.v10":10d16zwr said:
Not at all, it was a bit of fun about this sentence: "Burnouts (or aggressively dumping the clutch) is also bad"

Bad joke I guess, no harm meant.

:)
Oky Doky Matt - thought it was about something light hearted, but thought I had better check in case I had stepped on anybody's toes or put a nose out of joint somewhere (just noticed the grammatical error as well, so note to self "read post thoroughly before pressing <Submit>") :rollseyes:
 
This is certainly a planned 'enhancement' when my car has it's next cambelt done in about 18 months time. Some may be surprised by that statement, as I think that by many my car just gets washed, detailed, shown off... Repeat.. But I do actually enjoy driving it, which is why I bought a Vee in the first place, back in 2007.

The development journals from the ph1 cars are indeed an interesting read, with many parts being swapped and changed around, from tyres/wheels through to fuel pumps and servo's iirc.
 
SPIKE":2b11axh0 said:
the cost of the tungsten which was 20mm bar about 30mm long was £400 trade! then


I'll be trading in my un-used tungsten darts and getting some real cash :rofl:



(I know - cheap tungsten alloy.... it was a joke)
 
Williams":1e5mzcbq said:
This is certainly a planned 'enhancement' when my car has it's next cambelt done in about 18 months time. Some may be surprised by that statement, as I think that by many my car just gets washed, detailed, shown off... Repeat.. But I do actually enjoy driving it, which is why I bought a Vee in the first place, back in 2007.

The development journals from the ph1 cars are indeed an interesting read, with many parts being swapped and changed around, from tyres/wheels through to fuel pumps and servo's iirc.

WELL SAID! Do what you fell best with your own car, as I will do with mine. then no harm done.
But it may be a big surprise to some on here that there are members that actually do drive their cars as well as pamper them, some even drive them hard enough to trash the clutch, as well as the tyres.
 
SPIKE":6ig0grvk said:
Matt, i have no problem with folk that have limited knowledge, however i do have a problem with people that just dont listen, particularly when the answer i give is not the one that they want to hear.

In answer to your question, yes it is possible to re-balance the crank for the new flywheel, i do this all the time, but its one hell of a job as it involves a complete motor strip to get the crank out. this as you can imagine is way above most budgets. the cost of a balance will be around £400 if weight needs to come off but can be more if weight needs to be added.

the good part of having this done is any energy that is being wasted in the imbalance then comes out in the form of power, the figures i usually see on engines is between 1-2% not much i agree for the road but a lot when racing.

As for adding weight to the cranks, this is done by adding heavy metal. basically, drill a hole (calculated) then fill the hole with tungsten, the tungsten being heavier than steel adds weight and gives a corect balance. to remove weight just drill a hole in the crank web (again calculated). this is all done on a machine that dynamically balances the crankshaft at about 4000 rpm, a bit like a dynamic wheel balance machine.

incedentally, on a crank for a ducati that i recently had balanced it needed metal adding, the cost of the tungsten which was 20mm bar about 30mm long was £400 trade! then the cost of the balance. all well worth it as i had my best results yet with this on the dyno.

I hope this allows more understanding of the subject,

Spike.


Helps a lot, I am grateful for your long posts, like you said it does sound like a hell of a job...

:approve:
 
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