preRS Clio Clio mk1 Brake upgrades

[Adey]

Its been a very long while since i have tinkered with a mk1 clio (non 16v/williams), can anyone refresh me as to some sort of list of possible brake upgrades for the front. Parts from other cars and sizes? I think the basic stuff would be valver parts and they might be comparable to gtt items but really having a brain fart at the mo

 

[Brigsy]

Valver calipers are basically same as gtt with different carriers and bigger discs iirc. 172 might bolt up

 

[Adey]

cool, 172 stuff is probably easier to get hold of than valver stuff these days. anyone fitted 172 brakes to a gtt?

 

[Duncan Grier]

Interesting question as I am looking at what hub / brake combo to run and though 172 may be strange and can hopefully use abs rings

Must have been tried? Sure I remember Andrew Cooke using them?

DG

 

[Adey]

after a bit of searching i have found this so far

238mm Disc, Caliper Carrier and Caliper are fitted to:

R5 GT Turbo - confirmed
Clio1 RSI - confirmed
R19 1.4 models - confirmed

259mm Disc, Caliper Carrier and Caliper are fitted to:

R19 16v - confirmed
Clio1 16v - confirmed
Clio1 Williams - confirmed
Clio2 1.4 16v - Disc and Caliper confirmed, but unsure of hub bolt spacing for Carrier?
Clio2 1.6 8v - Disc and Caliper confirmed, but unsure of hub bolt spacing for Carrier?
Clio2 1.6 16v - Disc and Caliper confirmed, but unsure of hub bolt spacing for Carrier?

All of the above use the same Girling Caliper (different Carriers) that uses the FCP845 (Ferodo) Pad size.

 

[Adey]

@Brucieboy did you do something with fitting 172 hubs on a gtt?

 

[|sAs|]

I have a set of Brembo calipers from a Pug 406 coupe to go on my 19 16v. It seems to be bolt on with just a 3mm spacer and Clio 172 discs.

 

[Adey]

really? @|sAs| any chance you could get a picture please?

 

[|sAs|]

really? @|sAs| any chance you could get a picture please?

I haven't put them on yet (need to get flexi's made).
They are 4 piston calipers and I've held them up and the bolt spacing matches so I'm hopeful they will go on eventually.
I think 16" wheels will be the smallest wheel to go on though.

 

[Adey]

ahh that might be an issue. Cheers for the info, i did a quick google and the 406 brembo does seem to match up to all lesser spec clio 2's which based on the info i found earlier on in the thread would mean they arethe same as the 19/valver so should work the same. I might just go for some clio 2 items to start with as that will get me a newer caliper and 21mm more disk, i was really fond of the brakes on all my 172s so would be good to get them on at somepoint. @Jezer101 has offered me some from his stash of parts requiring a rebuild so will have to eye them up on the car

 

[Brigsy]

Just bang some gtt calipers, stock gtt discs, ds2500 pads & good fluid @Adey more than up to the job & cheap

 

[|sAs|]

ahh that might be an issue. Cheers for the info, i did a quick google and the 406 brembo does seem to match up to all lesser spec clio 2's which based on the info i found earlier on in the thread would mean they arethe same as the 19/valver so should work the same. I might just go for some clio 2 items to start with as that will get me a newer caliper and 21mm more disk, i was really fond of the brakes on all my 172s so would be good to get them on at somepoint. @Jezer101 has offered me some from his stash of parts requiring a rebuild so will have to eye them up on the car

Good info for me as well

 

[Adey]

Just bang some gtt calipers, stock gtt discs, ds2500 pads & good fluid @Adey more than up to the job & cheap

it's already on gtt stuff by the looks of it, cars a touch heavier I'd guess though? if I can go a little bigger for similar outlay I will do

 

[Brigsy]

I bet my van is heavier at 920kg with nobody in it good enough to lock the wheels at croft over a ton several laps in mate

 

[Neal R19]

after a bit of searching i have found this so far

238mm Disc, Caliper Carrier and Caliper are fitted to:

R5 GT Turbo - confirmed
Clio1 RSI - confirmed
R19 1.4 models - confirmed

259mm Disc, Caliper Carrier and Caliper are fitted to:

R19 16v - confirmed
Clio1 16v - confirmed
Clio1 Williams - confirmed
Clio2 1.4 16v - Disc and Caliper confirmed, but unsure of hub bolt spacing for Carrier?
Clio2 1.6 8v - Disc and Caliper confirmed, but unsure of hub bolt spacing for Carrier?
Clio2 1.6 16v - Disc and Caliper confirmed, but unsure of hub bolt spacing for Carrier?

All of the above use the same Girling Caliper (different Carriers) that uses the FCP845 (Ferodo) Pad size.

R19 1.4 calipers aren't the same - more often than not they have the shitty Bendix brakes (the ones with the offset pads) on the front and even if they do have girling, it's the solid discs (so narrower caliper and carrier). Certain models (e.g. RSi and TD) do have the wider vented discs/calipers, but they're still only 238mm. Same as GTT etc.

172 brakes wont bolt straight up, you'd need an adapter bracket.

I've used 21T brakes on the front of my 19 before (same hubs as mk1 clio) using a machined bracket and 21 TXi (4 stud) discs.

 

[Adey]

I bet my van is heavier at 920kg with nobody in it good enough to lock the wheels at croft over a ton several laps in mate

ahh true, i think book is 820kg for the clio

 

[Brigsy]

Lightweight compared to the van. I reckon its got to be 1150 ish with full tank and 2 people up front

 

[Bass J]

If it has gtt brakes ..its just a case of getting 16v carriers and discs n pads ...as the 5gtt ..clio rsi and 16v models run the same calipers

 

[Brucieboy]

@Brucieboy did you do something with fitting 172 hubs on a gtt?

I fitted 182 driveshafts, wishbones, discs, calipers, pipes and hubs to gtt struts and adjustable top mounts.
Gives 20mm wider track than stock gtt but quite a lot of camber. Good for my track setup. Hubs just needed thinning down to fit gtt struts, custom arb mounts welded to wishbones and shortened driveshafts a bit as appeared to bottom out on shaft from box. Not simple bolt on but now got bigger driveshaft splined portion, bigger wheel bearings, bigger brakes with lots of cheap off the shelf options.