Blue mk2 on piston heads 40k

[Chris V6]

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds ... 55/7073052

Found this, I don't want to talk the p@:s but I think a slightly better add might help although maybe a direct add is what we have been missing !

 

[ravydavy]

Optimistic to say the least.

 

[DaveL485]

Forty grand and five lines of text. Nice.

 

[rustedandrotten]

Quality bit of advertising, just makes you want to rush out and buy it for the full asking price :rofl:

 

[Kett]

Can anybody tell me how well is this aligned to continental Europe prices?

 

[Duncan]

Can anybody tell me how well is this aligned to continental Europe prices?

Similar LHD ph2s are up for 50-60k Euros across Europe, which is approx 43k - 51k GBP.

Theres an RHD UK car for sale in France for 42.5k Euros, so about 36k GBP.

 

[Kett]

Thank you Duncan; certainly food for thought.

: )

 

[Kett]

I still don't understand how RHDs are worth less than LHDs in Vees, but that doesn't carry to other models.

Have we (as ambassadors ) or Renault failed to promote the virtues of the Vee experience properly in the U.K.?

 

[9810588]

My guess is there are many more countries use LHD cars, hence more demand.

 

[Duncan]

I still don't understand how RHDs are worth less than LHDs in Vees, but that doesn't carry to other models.

Have we (as ambassadors ) or Renault failed to promote the virtues of the Vee experience properly in the U.K.?

I think it does carry to other models. Especially anything Renault Sport (or just French generally). For example; a decent LHD 172 cup is around 9-10k Euros (8-9k GBP) in France and a decent RHD one is about 3-4K GBP over here. Half the price!

I think there is two elements to it. The first is that in the UK historically we don't value second hand cars as much as most of Europe do and the other is that LHD has a greater market. When we leave the EU, we may find RHD cars become even less desriable over there?

The days of cheap LHD cars from Japan seem to be over now as they are getting exported to Canada - seems to be one a week at the moment!

 

[rustedandrotten]

When we leave the EU, we may find RHD cars become even less desriable over there?

The days of cheap LHD cars from Japan seem to be over now as they are getting exported to Canada - seems to be one a week at the moment!

Are we bovvered??? We have our own market, btw once we are out of Europe we may well have a better market possibly in old colonial areas who also drive like us on the left, once trade barriers are potentially back down to the commonwealth?? Imagine Vees in Sri Lanka Dulan!! :rofl:

 

[Kett]

Dulan will verify that RHD Porsche RS command more money than LHD in the U.K.

(I would assume the LHD price is the continental)

Same thing applies to other premium marques. I'm not sure why it doesn't apply to the Vee. Perhaps it's that the LHD Vee pay a greater homage to the 5 Turbo? Lol

 

[Lankan]

When we leave the EU, we may find RHD cars become even less desriable over there?

The days of cheap LHD cars from Japan seem to be over now as they are getting exported to Canada - seems to be one a week at the moment!

Are we bovvered??? We have our own market, btw once we are out of Europe we may well have a better market possibly in old colonial areas who also drive like us on the left, once trade barriers are potentially back down to the commonwealth?? Imagine Vees in Sri Lanka Dulan!! :rofl:

Geez Simon, I wouldn't want to entertain the idea of driving a Land Rover (or anything this side of a armoured personnel carrier), let alone a Vee on SL's roads, and I am sure neither would you, but I think your pick up comes close

Those pesky mini buses, that seem to be in a perpetual race against time, are the main reason........

Seriously though, I believe RHD cars, in general, are priced less than their LHD counterparts. This was further reinforced by a recent experience of selling my wife's ageing Audi A3 1.8T Sport that had covered 96K miles. It was advertised on Flea Bay and Autotrader. Sold it to a chap who made an offer on the Bay, but he then was dragging his feet. Two days later I get a call from a French chap, who has seen the car on Autotrader. He had already arrived in the UK, and called from Dover! He arrived a couple of hours later, viewed the car, pad for it in cash, booked the ferry back France, and drover it away in under 45 minutes after arriving. No hassle and no fuss, which must be the most painless experience of selling a car privately. When questioned as to the wisdom of buying a RHD car to drive in France was that "the cars are much cheaper in UK", so, at least for 'ordinary' cars, RHD doesn't seem to really matter if the price is right.

Dulan will verify that RHD Porsche RS command more money than LHD in the U.K.

(I would assume the LHD price is the continental)

Same thing applies to other premium marques. I'm not sure why it doesn't apply to the Vee. Perhaps it's that the LHD Vee pay a greater homage to the 5 Turbo? Lol

Kett, you are right, but the Porsche RS' are unique beasts, and this is mainly due to the small numbers of RHD cars (e.g. 964 RS: 47 RHD vs 1,200 LHD & 993 RS: 70 RHD vs. 1,050 LHD). To me the RHD air-cooled 911's are compromised since it was designed as a LHD car from the off (e.g. the oil tank is in the O/S front, so the weight distribution is maximised, so the purer driving experience. However, these factors don't seem to be a factor in the case of the 964 & 993 RS models.

According to the production numbers in the V6 Register, except for France, the UK received the largest number of Vees, with a bias more towards the Phase 2. It seems that there are a similar number of RHD Phase 2s (in the UK) when compared to the rest of the world, except France.

 

[GPH]

I still don't understand how RHDs are worth less than LHDs in Vees, but that doesn't carry to other models.

Have we (as ambassadors ) or Renault failed to promote the virtues of the Vee experience properly in the U.K.?

I really think it is to do with the size of the interested audience, national sentiment and local alternatives.
There are so many more people in France that have a passion for Renault than here despite huge sales of RS Clios and Meganes in the UK. In fact we bought more here when new than in France which is probably now one of the reasons they are more expensive over the channel as they were all busy buying diesels 10 years ago which are now being banned from cities!
Conversely, for example, the prices for modern classic fast Fords is much higher here than in mainland Europe.
Also here there are so many "local" classics from MG to Lotus to Aston Martin to Jaguar and TVR etc whereas in France it was an Alpine built up until the 90s a fast Renault or Peugeot hatch or not a lot else. Aston V8 Vantages are now down to £30k here because they sold 1000's here but I bet you can't find one in France for love nor money. I think it's why Alpine will do so well abroad as there is less competition.
Looking to the future the Vee very much has scarcity on its side. I saw recently that Ford made over 11,000 of the RS Focus mk 2 that was out last decade and yet these are now fetching more money than when new just like the Clio and they are less than 10 years old so hardly "classic" or scarce"

 

[Kett]

Thanks for the replies guys.
I've got my noggin around the variation.

I still find it an irritating when Vee owners seem to have a dig when somebody pitches their sale price above the norm. There is only one way values are going... so let's get with the programme, embrace speculation and keep preaching the virtues.

: )

 

[Lankan]

I really think it is to do with the size of the interested audience, national sentiment and local alternatives.
There are so many more people in France that have a passion for Renault than here despite huge sales of RS Clios and Meganes in the UK. In fact we bought more here when new than in France which is probably now one of the reasons they are more expensive over the channel as they were all busy buying diesels 10 years ago which are now being banned from cities!

Good points Graeme - didn't realise that more Renaultsports were imported into the UK than were sold in France, except the Vee, so its time to redress the balance, prices wise that is.

I still find it an irritating when Vee owners seem to have a dig when somebody pitches their sale price above the norm. There is only one way values are going... so let's get with the programme, embrace speculation and keep preaching the virtues.

Couldn't agree with you guys more (you know why [smilie=icon_cry.gif]).........so we need more of us at the likes of Silverstone Classic - there is simply no better place to promote the virtues of the marque to the wider masses.

 

[GPH]

With regards to the subject of this thread the only problem with asking a much higher price is there are 3 Clios at Dealers with lower miles all around the £30k to £32k level so why would anyone pay £40k? The only way to push up the price ceiling of the market is if you have something that is better than what's on offer. ie. a unique colour (Acid yellow!!!) or the lowest mileage or a famous car/owner. Then you can ask more.

Actually I'd be very happy if the prices of classics returned to where they were 5 to 10 years ago before the bank crash meant that people at the top end of the market started buying cars purely as a financial asset and never even saw them let alone drove them and have dragged the rest of the market up. In answer to another post about what should you have bought 10 years ago? ...........a late 80s Aston Martin V8 (the last EFi models of which of only 59 were built) I saw at Bonhams auction about 5 years ago which sold for £32k. Now it would be £132k easily.
And a red DB6 at auction 7 years ago which sold for £80k. add about £250k to that now. They would have looked lovely together in the garage. [smilie=icon_cry.gif]
Currently for sale at Nicholas Mee for £175,000.
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[GW200]

JD Classics have an X-Pack Vantage up for £200k+

5 years ago at my old firm we bought a 2 owner 22k mile X-Pack Vantage for £25k

 

[Lankan]

[v6plaque]245[/v6plaque] now reduced to £35K......

 

[rustedandrotten]

Or you could save £50 and buy one from a dealer with 10K less miles (SW05 HRM not on register but Aberdeen plate) in Nottingham :rofl: !!