2wd to quadra?

[Haz]

did they do quadra's in all models?
basically what would need changing to convert a ph1 2wd to quadra. is it just the centre section between the seats into the boot floor/wheel well, rear suspension setup, prop and box?
i've heard diff whine is common, rear diff cant be fixed or very expensive, and are they not that strong? i can see the advantages but whats the common reasons for not having one?
thanks

 

[administrator]

There is lots that would need changing.
Box , Tunnel , rear boot floor , electronics , just lots and lots of fiddly bits. Better buying one.

And I am probably going to upset the Quadra owners ( all 3 of you ! ) I personally think the quadra system is a bit erm , crap. Its a viscous system so its never going to be great. I await the tirade of abuse coming my way ( mostly from you Sibley you lanky twat - preemptive strike there ) with claims that it lets you go sideways and you wont see me for dust and various other bollocks. Its heavy , and it slows the car down in a straight line. Scally Lee can mix it up quite well with a quadra and he "only" has 2wd.

Id fancy my chances against a 21turbo ( quaddie or otherwise ) for the 18 minutes that my five works ..

 

[Haz]

have you got anymore info than 'fiddley bits' lol.
would have to experience the drive before considering it, but lots of money i dont have, time and effort i do. would just depend how easy the parts are to source, and then replace, or if one needed 'some' work for the right price. i have always been a fwd bloke and recon my 5 would have taken on most 21's, took on prodrive scoobs and porsches ok lol, hence wanting that bit more from the 21

 

[Tony]

Haz the abs is different, as Andy said its a very heavy system, its use's a viscous diff to split the power 60/40 for the time and effort involved it would be easier to buy a quaddie shell. Theres other bits as well.

 

[Haz]

easier to fit another lump and an alpine box in the boot then! just interested in how it works, still waiting to have a good look around yours when its on the ramps

 

[DaveL485]

Haz the abs is different, as Andy said its a very heavy system, its use's a viscous diff to split the power 60/40 for the time and effort involved it would be easier to buy a quaddie shell. Theres other bits as well.

ABS is the same in principal but technically different.
Its a Viscous coupling (not diff) and it splits drive 65f/35r when both wheels are tractable but is capable of 0/100 through 100/0 if it gets slippery with the power to the wheels with the most grip. It also has a lockable rear diff in 1st and reverse.

I personally think the quadra system is a bit erm , crap. Its a viscous system so its never going to be great. I await the tirade of abuse coming my way ( mostly from you Sibley you lanky twat - preemptive strike there ) with claims that it lets you go sideways and you wont see me for dust and various other bollocks.

I wont rise to it.

No....


wait....

Yes I will, you northern ponce. I'd say you wont see me for dust, but its not actually dust is it, its steam, or oil smoke from that 'quick' 5 of yours. When I say quick, I mean quick to break down. I dont know if its fast or not, because its always ****ed lol (You started it bitch!)

Haz- You'd need to change the whole floor and drivetrain backwards of the bulkhead, basically. The boot is shallower, transmission/prop tunnel bigger, rear axle, fuel tank....
If I were thinking of that level of task i'd build a twin engine jobbie instead.

 

[Haz]

Cheers dave, had been looking at a few vids and they seem to lauch well and drift quite smooth, like you've mentioned with more power to the front with the back end not wanting to step out to far. As I'd not looked at both, although the tunnel looked a little narrow, I wasn't sure if you could just get away with doing just the back end. It's far too big a project unless it was gonna be something really different, think I should just be getting mine back together and concentrating on the 11 really

 

[MakeEverything]

Youll need money as well as the time and effort when converting something not designed to be converted (If you do it properly). You'll end up making brackets and bits to make things fit, and tools that you wouldnt normally use in car maintenance.

 

[DaveL485]

Cheers dave, had been looking at a few vids and they seem to lauch well and drift quite smooth, like you've mentioned with more power to the front with the back end not wanting to step out to far. As I'd not looked at both, although the tunnel looked a little narrow, I wasn't sure if you could just get away with doing just the back end. It's far too big a project unless it was gonna be something really different, think I should just be getting mine back together and concentrating on the 11 really

I didnt realise you had an 11! Phase 1 or 2? Turbo flavour I assume.

I had a C-Plate Ph1 but sold it to Paul Rombaut as it was going to waste and he's looked after it really well. I still have my Phase 1 9 Turbo though, piling up bits for a rebuild. Got entirely new suspension with lowering springs and strut brace, Samco's, 19 TD JC5 'box, axle bushes, clutch, Turbo, Stainless exh, and recently some tasty magnesium 16's in grey. Once the 21 is done, and I save some more pennies its going matt black, getting slammed and a new lump (Thats the plan, anyway).

 

[Haz]

Youll need money as well as the time and effort when converting something not designed to be converted (If you do it properly). You'll end up making brackets and bits to make things fit, and tools that you wouldnt normally use in car maintenance.

Yeah of course, but if it was a case of fabricating the boot floor section and bolting up a few bits then would be easy enough, but as I've not looked round a quadra and only owned 2 21's I thought it was worth an ask. 2wd to 4wd cossie is easy enough.

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Dave, I've had the 11 in dry storage for 5 years as a slow restoration. Used to be brigsy's, d plate ph2. Bought with non running half Clio, half Volvo conversion and a few bits missing. Engines being replaced with milder version of scoff's 172 turbo motor. Leda struts with sperical top mounts from my 5 and a 19 16v rear beam, big disc conversion and a selection of wheels that I don't know war to use yet. Most of the bits are there, just gotta get t shell done. Tbh, the time that I've been spending on the 21 could have seen it primered up ready for paint but only so long I can cope with no daily driver lol

 

[DaveL485]

Briggsy's old black one?

 

[Haz]

Yup, that's the one. It's been apart that long I've forgotten the reg lol. Has had a respray a few years ago so the outside was pretty tidy but everywhere that wasn't done had rotten. It's had an a pillar, half sill, full inner and outer sill, both inner wings, bumper mounts and a boot floor, well a 19 one grafted in. Main problem is that I've struggled to sourced panels so had to use other bits or had stuff made up then had to make it look right. Gettin there but only worked on it in bursts, never driven one but looking forward to it, eventually lol

 

[DaveL485]

Same issues with the 9. Luckily I found a new rear boot panel on ebay and the sills (he says) are solid, amazingly! Its a Ph1 though so no sideskirts to hold all the damp in luckily.

 

[la21t]

Go to Turkey for 9/11/12 panels!!!!

I'm here now and they still sell em new.

 

[DaveL485]

Go to Turkey for 9/11/12 panels!!!!

I'm here now and they still sell em new.

Bring me some back then mofo lol!!

 

[Haz]

Go to Turkey for 9/11/12 panels!!!!

I'm here now and they still sell em new.

you can still get some repair sections in the uk, front and rear panels, wings etc but not sills and main shell bits so may come in handy in the future, get some contact details please

 

[la21t]

Lol I'm booked on a plane tomorrow morning and my missus will chop my town halls off if I started trawling Turkish Motor factors

 

[Haz]

Lol I'm booked on a plane tomorrow morning and my missus will chop my town halls off if I started trawling Turkish Motor factors

lol no worries, suppose thats what the net's for! i only just managed to sneak out with my dad while my missus and the lil un were asleep to investigate a patch of land which looked like a scrap yard with cars all dotted about. i couldn't figure out if the guy used to be a mechanic or just raced cars in his younger days as it turns out it they were all owned by a guy in his 70's. he was hesitant to allow us to look round at first but with the help of a french neighbour of my parents place out there, he let us in telling us we didnt need to lock the car as his donkey would shout if anyone came near ! anyway, nothing was for sale, guessed it never would be, but he said to ask again next year, or the year after, he really had a screw loose. really gutted as he had over 60 historic cars in the ranging from R12's inc a gordini ex rally car, bmw 2002's, an alpine, le cars, 2cv's, simca's, feugo's, R4's, 4cv's and 4 renault estaffettes (campers) which is what i was after, with one fitted with an r12gordini lump and box capible of 160kmh ! it was like a museum under the trees, fantastic!

 

[Zxer]

Did you get any pictures, would be cool to see

 

[Haz]

afraid not, i did ask if i could but he was a bit funny about it but again, he said maybe next time i visit from what we could figure he may have been a well known driver back in his days but we only got his first name and didn't think to ask. i think his cars may have been his memories. his son died in a motorbike accident 5years ago and his 'lady' friend lived on the coast so is a lonely bloke. he has no one to leave it all too and so long as he can afford to feed his dogs and donkey's and buy a few bottles of wine i think money is no interest, apparently he has the first ever hovercraft and an ex le mans car stashed away but didn't see them. i'll keep going back each time i go over there so we'll see

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back on topic regards the 2 and 4wd versions. if the system allows the drive to transfer from the spinning wheel to the others, is it from one to the other 3 like newer systems or is it just in pairs, front to back? also can the system be ran in rwd form only by removing the front shafts? or leaving just the front cups in situ?