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Time for a relevation: there was only 1 Acid safety car

Kett

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Thank you James for the photo you posted up recently...

A synopsis: Renaultsport uk had (amongst others) two identical <no-id plaque> acid yellow/full gris brume leather media cars at their disposal from June 2004.
HT04UVR and HT04JWF.

There appeared to be two different acid yellow V6 safety cars supporting the 2005 clio cup race series - one with black livery and one with silver livery - but it has yet to be proved that they weren't the same car.

My theory is that there was only one acid safety car HT04UVR.
It originally had silver decals - was stripped for FOS on June 24 and needed new tax - than was replaced with black livery for the remainder of the 2005 clio cup series.

Some commentators have noticed that the tax disc holder is in a separate position, but (ironically) the livery and tax disc would have both been stripped-out in June 2005. The BTCC sticker appears identical! Check out the drivers!

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At the moment, I've found pictures of HT04UVR without livery uploaded April 9 2005 (stating it was going to be a pace car at Brands Hatch) and June 24 2005 (FOS), but wearing black livery July 16 and 11 Sept.

To summarise: To disprove this we'd need a photo date taken of a silver-decal safety car acid was between July 16 and Sept 11 or a photo date of a black-decal car between 9 April and 20 June.

Clio cup calendar 2005: Donington 9/10 April, Thruxton 30/1 May, Brands Hatch 4/5 June, Oulton Park 18/19 June, Croft July 16/17, Snetterton 6/7 August, Knockhill 27/28 August, Donington (WSR) 10/11 September, Silverstone 17/18 September, Brands Hatch 1/2 October

FOS 2005
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HT04JWF - sadly deceased
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Hmm intrestings. Gutting to see it crashed, has an upgraded exhaust aswell.

Thought I had a picture of it somewhere but cant seem to find it.
 
The two cars also have sequential chassis numbers 586 (JWF) & 587 (UVR) although oddly the fabrication numbers seem to be separated by another car (K044907)
K044906 (JWF) K044908 (UVR)

Date of manufacture of both cars 05 2004
 
The date showing on the photo for the Donington Clio Cup race with the silver decal livery car is 09/04/05 @ 17:02.
The black decal livery car above was on 01/10/05 @ 15:39, if that helps.
None of the other photos that I have seem to show the dates.

Edit: So if there was only one Safety Car the decals changed from silver on 09/04/05 to black as seen on Kett's photo taken of the rear of the car at Croft at the BTC Champs, weekend 16/07/05 and 17/07/05.
 
James":1w5ryskx said:
So is this not coreect now Kett?
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I'm afraid it was always an assumption that HT04JWF was a safety car, as there's never been any evidence.
There didn't seem any sense in Renault UK stripping HT04UVR of it's livery and replacing with another set...
until HT04UVR's involvement in Goodwood FOS June 24 2005 came to light.
The photos support this assertion (as do David's dates, that's he just submitted).

Bit of a Sherlock Holmes case I'm afraid - quite complicated, but I believe this to be the correct account.
I'll let you guys know if I discover anything to the contrary. ::):
 
David T":3h5f7t5w said:
The date showing on the photo for the Donington Clio Cup race with the silver decal livery car is 09/04/05 @ 17:02.
The black decal livery car above was on 01/10/05 @ 15:39, if that helps.
None of the other photos that I have seem to show the dates.

I've got loads of photo's. How do you check the dates?
 
Sam you need to have EXIF data as part of your browser (or find a separate image viewer program that shows up EXIF data. EXIF Pro 1.0 or similar)
Not all pics will have this data.

Your pic of a Puma 66 AW shows:

Original Date/Time = 2006:04:16 16:17:37
 
James,

I have approximately 2 dozen safety car photos on my photobucket album.
PM me your e-mail address for access and perhaps you can "date" some photos.
It would be quite nice to link each photo to the event in the clio cup calendar.
To disprove this we'd need a photo date taken of a silver-decal safety car acid between June 24 and Sept 11 or a photo date of a black-decal car between 9 April and 20 June.
We can then report back. :approve:

Regards

Kett
 
Sam those are all the ones I didn't send you as they have no date/EXIF details.

In your Photobucket album, click on a pic then at the bottom left of the page it says Image Info and a little arrow. Click on the arrow and it will reveal info on any pics with have EXIF details.

See screen shot
 
Seems the 4 sirius (liquid) safety cars had sequential chassis numbers so the fact that the two saturns (acids) had sequential numbers as well might be an indicator.
 
James":75oocga6 said:
Sam those are all the ones I didn't send you as they have no date/EXIF details.

In your Photobucket album, click on a pic then at the bottom left of the page it says Image Info and a little arrow. Click on the arrow and it will reveal info on any pics with have EXIF details.

See screen shot

Thanks fella, I gettit now!
 
renaultalpine":tgel571o said:
Seems the 4 sirius (liquid) safety cars had sequential chassis numbers so the fact that the two saturns (acids) had sequential numbers as well might be an indicator.

I would have thought there were different motivations:
The press weren't interested in the V6 when the "final wave" of liquids came out - so the 4 were probably "farmed-off" for PR duties at racing circuits.
The (several) original 255 press cars were used by motoring journals. Acid JWF features in Parkers Guide. http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/reviews/r ... -2001.aspx
Acid UVR seems to have been specifically used to support the 2005 Renaultsport calendar.
 
I'd conclude from the evidence:
using that the photograph dates that are available,
the position of the BTTC sticker in the close ups
and the turn of events leading to a change in livery;
that HT04UVR was the only safety car.

Thanks for everyone's help. :bow:
 
Kett":3qducu3c said:
I'd conclude from the evidence:
using that the photograph dates that are available,
the position of the BTTC sticker in the close ups
and the turn of events leading to a change in livery;
that HT04UVR was the only safety car.

Thanks for everyone's help. :bow:

Good to see a bit of forensics going on ...

Martin
 
I guess this has been done / asked in the past - but has no one asked Jeremy Townsend to shed any light on all of this?

Regards, Steve.
 
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