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numbered plaques
- Thread starter Carl Chambers
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From Jeremy:
Hi James,
It's quite straight forward:
230
These were all numbered at the factory. For the UK cars, this plate was removed upon arrival into the UK and replaced with a UK-specific number.
In the UK there was a waiting list for the first cars to arrive. Customers were allocated a number on this waiting list and it was this number that was applied to the UK car's. Nearer the time of delivery, the customer on the waiting were asked to confirm their order. Some dropped out, hence why the numbers aren't sequential and also why there could be a non-UK car with the same number as a UK one.
255
Again, these were numbered at the factory. For the UK cars, this number was removed and was also replaced with a UK-specific number. The numbers for the UK cars were applied sequentially in order of the car's arrival into the country
Hope that all makes sense
Jeremy Townsend
Hi James,
It's quite straight forward:
230
These were all numbered at the factory. For the UK cars, this plate was removed upon arrival into the UK and replaced with a UK-specific number.
In the UK there was a waiting list for the first cars to arrive. Customers were allocated a number on this waiting list and it was this number that was applied to the UK car's. Nearer the time of delivery, the customer on the waiting were asked to confirm their order. Some dropped out, hence why the numbers aren't sequential and also why there could be a non-UK car with the same number as a UK one.
255
Again, these were numbered at the factory. For the UK cars, this number was removed and was also replaced with a UK-specific number. The numbers for the UK cars were applied sequentially in order of the car's arrival into the country
Hope that all makes sense
Jeremy Townsend
Renault Clio v6
Case Reference: 1-194911020
Mon 15/11/2010 16:23
Dear Mr Robinson (James)
Thank you for taking the time to contact Renault Information Services.
I understand from our ongoing correspondence that you wish to know if Renault holds a list of the unique model numbers for the Clio v6’s imported to the United Kingdom.
We are aware that the vehicles originally came with a metal plate which was later removed at their time of import; the purpose of the enquiry being to attempt to match these original number plates back to their vehicle via the chassis number.
To investigate this matter I posed the question directly to the product manager for the Renault Clio and was advised two different strategies were implemented for the plates for the 230 (Phase 1) and 255 (Phase 2).
With regards to the 230, cars were built at the factory with a sequentially-numbered plate. However no record was kept of this number in relation to a chassis number.
At importation, this plate was removed and replaced with a number that represented the position the customer was on the UK waiting list. Due to some cancellations, this numbering is not sequential.
In regards to the 255, cars were built at the factory with a sequentially-numbered plate. Again no record was kept of this number in relation to a chassis number.
At importation, this plate was removed and replaced with a number that related sequentially to the importation into the UK (therefore started a 1 and ended at 354). No record was kept of this number in relation to a chassis number.
It seems rather unfortunate that a record was not kept of the numbers they removed and the chassis numbers they belonged to. I believe it to be a somewhat innocent move perhaps not aware of what the numbers may mean to their eventual owners. We now understand the relevance behind this, and I have feed this issue back to the relevant department for consideration for any future Renaultsport or limited Edition models.
I thank you for your continuing support of the Renaultsport brand, the owners club v6clio.net is highly respected by all at Renault UK.
Kind Regards
Peter Beck
Customer Services Consultant
Renault UK Ltd
Case Reference: 1-194911020
Mon 15/11/2010 16:23
Dear Mr Robinson (James)
Thank you for taking the time to contact Renault Information Services.
I understand from our ongoing correspondence that you wish to know if Renault holds a list of the unique model numbers for the Clio v6’s imported to the United Kingdom.
We are aware that the vehicles originally came with a metal plate which was later removed at their time of import; the purpose of the enquiry being to attempt to match these original number plates back to their vehicle via the chassis number.
To investigate this matter I posed the question directly to the product manager for the Renault Clio and was advised two different strategies were implemented for the plates for the 230 (Phase 1) and 255 (Phase 2).
With regards to the 230, cars were built at the factory with a sequentially-numbered plate. However no record was kept of this number in relation to a chassis number.
At importation, this plate was removed and replaced with a number that represented the position the customer was on the UK waiting list. Due to some cancellations, this numbering is not sequential.
In regards to the 255, cars were built at the factory with a sequentially-numbered plate. Again no record was kept of this number in relation to a chassis number.
At importation, this plate was removed and replaced with a number that related sequentially to the importation into the UK (therefore started a 1 and ended at 354). No record was kept of this number in relation to a chassis number.
It seems rather unfortunate that a record was not kept of the numbers they removed and the chassis numbers they belonged to. I believe it to be a somewhat innocent move perhaps not aware of what the numbers may mean to their eventual owners. We now understand the relevance behind this, and I have feed this issue back to the relevant department for consideration for any future Renaultsport or limited Edition models.
I thank you for your continuing support of the Renaultsport brand, the owners club v6clio.net is highly respected by all at Renault UK.
Kind Regards
Peter Beck
Customer Services Consultant
Renault UK Ltd
Steve-V6-D61
New Member
More plaque stuff
Due to damaging mine when removing it from the centre console so it could be sprayed and not liking the s**t plastic one anyway., i have been looking for a company to make some in stainless steel in the original design but with the UK number on them, I have found one company that will do them at £13.50plus a bit of post as long as there is a order for 10 or more, well want i want 3 so I can put 2 in the the rear windows.
so does anybody else want a lazer etched stainless steel plaque replacement for there cars, please note only club members with a verifed build number will be able to order these if I go ahead with them, they will only be available in the original style as removed by Mr Renault.
I will need to get one made as a test but that going to cost £25 as a one off, can anybody produce the artwork for the original phase 2 alloy plaque for me
Cheers
Steve
Due to damaging mine when removing it from the centre console so it could be sprayed and not liking the s**t plastic one anyway., i have been looking for a company to make some in stainless steel in the original design but with the UK number on them, I have found one company that will do them at £13.50plus a bit of post as long as there is a order for 10 or more, well want i want 3 so I can put 2 in the the rear windows.
so does anybody else want a lazer etched stainless steel plaque replacement for there cars, please note only club members with a verifed build number will be able to order these if I go ahead with them, they will only be available in the original style as removed by Mr Renault.
I will need to get one made as a test but that going to cost £25 as a one off, can anybody produce the artwork for the original phase 2 alloy plaque for me
Cheers
Steve
Nice work James. :approve:
Fair play to Peter Beck for taking the time to write and acknowledging that Renaultsport failed to catalogue the production/plaque numbers that is genuinely expected of a prestigious marque. I've been quite critical of this in the past, but I guess it was a simple oversight when a major manufacturer returned to the niche market.
Ultimately, it was fantastic that Renault had the balls to manufacture the Vee in the first place. :bow:
Fair play to Peter Beck for taking the time to write and acknowledging that Renaultsport failed to catalogue the production/plaque numbers that is genuinely expected of a prestigious marque. I've been quite critical of this in the past, but I guess it was a simple oversight when a major manufacturer returned to the niche market.
Ultimately, it was fantastic that Renault had the balls to manufacture the Vee in the first place. :bow:
renaultalpine
New Member
They did the same with the 26 Le Mans cars in 1990. The badges were stuck on at random and only 2 of the cars ended up with the 'right' number by chance.
It is easy to understand why this happens as, at a point in time when the Vees were just cars coming off a production line or out of an import centre, people doing a day job wouldn't necessarily think of the bigger 'potential' picture of future ownershp and heritage.
To some extent this is a failure of management strategy or lack of vision anyway and not that of anyone who did or didn't keep records of what they did - some may even argue 'so what' anyway ... the cars have a UK identity so what relevance is the original build number etc ...
Often these things are interests and objectives of enthusiasts born out of the growing exclusivity and migration to 'future classic' status and the building of provenance for the individual cars and marque ... Manufacturers probably don't care one way or another as the commercial leverage of the Vee has long gone and the heritage/classic status is out of their control and in the hands of enthusiasts ...
It gives us something to do to try and piece it all back together - if it is possible that is ... I tried, amongst others, to tie the 440/5000 UK Homologation Toyota ST185 cars back to original build numbers but Toyota also slapped UK plaques on cars in no particular order and with no records so it wasn't possible. I also have plaque 2867 (from my old write-off) on my current car as a momento - not any attempt to 'mislead' people. Many plaques have been sold on with the original signed Carlo Sainz certificate and so the situation is far worse than with the Vee. Also the cars are older and less regarded but one day people may realise that these cars have some real heritage and then it will be too late ...
For the Vee, it is always possible that some information may come to light which may help build a picture and fill in the gaps i.e. these UK metal plaques but a cars history is an evolving thing and if the UK Vees are never tied back to their original build numbers or chassis numbers it's no great loss but IS an interesting opportunity and challenge.
I would suggest the key thing we can all elect to do as owners is consider the future ownership and heritage of each of our cars and make a decision as to what degree of engagement we are going to have in an individual cars future in terms of ... keeping records, pictures, MOT's, sales receipts, researching history etc. Some current owners will be interested, some won't but it is things like this which will help to develop the exclusivity of the Marque and the desireability/saleability of individual cars long into the future.
Martin
To some extent this is a failure of management strategy or lack of vision anyway and not that of anyone who did or didn't keep records of what they did - some may even argue 'so what' anyway ... the cars have a UK identity so what relevance is the original build number etc ...
Often these things are interests and objectives of enthusiasts born out of the growing exclusivity and migration to 'future classic' status and the building of provenance for the individual cars and marque ... Manufacturers probably don't care one way or another as the commercial leverage of the Vee has long gone and the heritage/classic status is out of their control and in the hands of enthusiasts ...
It gives us something to do to try and piece it all back together - if it is possible that is ... I tried, amongst others, to tie the 440/5000 UK Homologation Toyota ST185 cars back to original build numbers but Toyota also slapped UK plaques on cars in no particular order and with no records so it wasn't possible. I also have plaque 2867 (from my old write-off) on my current car as a momento - not any attempt to 'mislead' people. Many plaques have been sold on with the original signed Carlo Sainz certificate and so the situation is far worse than with the Vee. Also the cars are older and less regarded but one day people may realise that these cars have some real heritage and then it will be too late ...
For the Vee, it is always possible that some information may come to light which may help build a picture and fill in the gaps i.e. these UK metal plaques but a cars history is an evolving thing and if the UK Vees are never tied back to their original build numbers or chassis numbers it's no great loss but IS an interesting opportunity and challenge.
I would suggest the key thing we can all elect to do as owners is consider the future ownership and heritage of each of our cars and make a decision as to what degree of engagement we are going to have in an individual cars future in terms of ... keeping records, pictures, MOT's, sales receipts, researching history etc. Some current owners will be interested, some won't but it is things like this which will help to develop the exclusivity of the Marque and the desireability/saleability of individual cars long into the future.
Martin
Carl Chambers
New Member
I have bought another batch of 10 of these as the guy offered some more, so I thought it was better to keep them in our club rather than randomly sold off everywhere.
Im looking into re-uniting them with the original cars they came off, and if anyone knows or can get hold of French/European vee chassis numbers and plaque numbers then please pm me.
Hopefully them can find a pattern to how they were given out!
Im looking into re-uniting them with the original cars they came off, and if anyone knows or can get hold of French/European vee chassis numbers and plaque numbers then please pm me.
Hopefully them can find a pattern to how they were given out!
