preRS Clio Mk1 Clio 172 wide track conversion?

[Adey]

Can those, if any who know whats needed to do a 172 widetrack conversion on a mk1 clio list whats needed and any issues you have come up against.

 

[Mark_L]

What @Woznaldo said really @Mark_L iirc the clio williams version had some extra playes welded on the bottom to add some extra rigidity but would say no great effort to beef up the 5 one

Didn’t know if there was a difference in them being wider? If they’re the same I’ll just get another 5 one.

May find a 172 lower arm as a starting point.

How much wider are they with the wide track fitted?

Clio slightly different iirc, i think the 16v/williams has a bush on one of the subframe mounts? Been years since ive worked on clio mk1 though. Can get a super5 subframe easy though mate, bit of seam welding and plate the bottom and it will be solid.

Other option is to make a tubular one up, with rose jointed track control arms. Be miles better.

I’m toying with the idea. Using 197 hubs, machining them down 6mm off the calipers mount to take 300mm discs. I have a set of Lotus Elise/Exige Gaz golds for mock up.

I’m just not clued up in the 5’s yet. Not that it’s going to be anywhere near std.

I need to get the shell stripped down and start Cutting..

 

[Duncan Grier]

Wishbones and arb wider on 16v and wider still on williams cant remember measurments mind but easy to check

Never played with the 172 wishbones etc but they are even woder but not sure if tweak needed to fit r5/clio subframe

 

[DaveL485]

And here I am wondering why you're not space-framing it Mark

 

[Mark_L]

And here I am wondering why you're not space-framing it Mark

One main reason,Time.

But nothing is ruled out at the moment.

 

[Brigsy]

Pic of Tony Hart's setup. Looks pukka

 

[Mark_L]

Pic of Tony Hart's setup. Looks pukkaView attachment 200940

That’s easy enough to do.

 

[DaveL485]

One main reason,Time.

But nothing is ruled out at the moment.

If I blow up the 12v bigtime you can do me one for the 21 to slot a twin turbo V8 in there

 

[DaveL485]

Pic of Tony Hart's setup. Looks pukka

It really is - though I was so busy droolong over the penthouse 21 I barely looked at anything else lol

 

[Woznaldo]

Pic of Tony Hart's setup. Looks pukka

It would be interesting to see if Tony Harts has tweaked the pickup points at all? Tis a sweet setup. I’ve got a 172 setup, together with Roll-Centre Correction to go on my 5. Not sure what I’m going to do for driveshafts? Probably custom and that is not going to be cheap!!!

I bought a welding table big enough to fit a subframe on to go tubular at some point. I’ll strengthen the std subframe, make a jig, and go from there.

With all the spare time on my hands, I should be done in early 2050?…

 

[DaveL485]

It would be interesting to see if Tony Harts has tweaked the pickup points at all?

I can ask him if you want?

 

[Woznaldo]

I can ask him if you want?

Please do. The tubular subframe sold by Evolucion-A has two positions for the wishbone to attach. It allows you to play with both the roll centre height and anti-dive geometry.

 

[DaveL485]

Reply:

This shell has a 16v clio front crossmember so is diff to std To make room round the rad etc. Fits on all std pick up points

So I think the subframe mounts are in the OE position.

 

[Woznaldo]

Thought I’d drag this thread up again as I have all the parts for my 172 Wide Track conversion on my GT Turbo other than Driveshafts? Are phase 1 172 shafts available from anywhere?

 

[Duncan Grier]

Worth considering new driveshafts? Inners fit GTT box or are you having to do some magic?

 

[Woznaldo]

Pretty sure the inners bolt straight up. New is what I’d like but, know that they were getting scarce a few years ago?

 

[Mark_L]

Pretty sure the inners bolt straight up. New is what I’d like but, know that they were getting scarce a few years ago?

From memory J and R were doing them?

I have a second hand pair in my garage if you need any measurements.

 

[Renny 5]

Pretty sure the inners bolt straight up. New is what I’d like but, know that they were getting scarce a few years ago?

I’m running a JC5 gearbox, 172 hubs and gtt shafts so everything is interchangeable as long as you use the correct shafts with the matching wishbones

 

[Woznaldo]

I’m running a JC5 gearbox, 172 hubs and gtt shafts so everything is interchangeable as long as you use the correct shafts with the matching wishbones

I thought the outer CV Splines were different between GTT/Clio1 and 1X2? 19 vs 21 splines? Going from memory here. It might be 21 vs 23?

 

[Woznaldo]

I’ve got GTT, 172 Ph2 and RS197/200 shafts here to compare but, I’ll have to dig them out.