Clutch + Flywheel

[PeteH]

On friday evening my clutch went

Car has done 48K, 04 reg

Has anyone got any advice about changing to Phase 1 clutch and light weight flywheel (TTV?), that SG Motorsport do?
Added noise? Performance?

As before inspection, Scott seems to think there is a good chance my Dual mass is also shot :rollseyes:

So planning MAJOR works including cambelt Kit, aux Kit, water pump, clutch slaveC, dephaser pulleys etc

Anything else I should be considering?

Advance thanks

 

[matt.v10]

Hi Peter.... sorry to hear about the clutch.

I am in exactly the same situation! (Clutch not gone YET but I feel it is on the way out)

After speaking to scott I will also go TTV and phase 1 clutch.
Good idea to ask for feedback,

Sounds like a far superior setup, scott said downsides might be slightly more noise and a more mechanical feel... Sounds fine by me for the benefits acheived.

If you could give me the cost for the work above after completion I would be very grateful...
It will be a fairly big bill thats for sure!

Thanks,

Matt :approve:

 

[looch]

Am also considering this upgrade in the future. As above a price/quote for the job would be appreciated. Or perhaps a price just for supply of the parts

Kind regards

 

[Kett]

Am also considering this upgrade in the future. As above a price/quote for the job would be appreciated. Or perhaps a price just for supply of the parts

Kind regards

It's the sort of job to undertake during a cambelt service... one to plan ahead for!

 

[Lankan]

Definitely recommend the upgrade. Scott is an agent for the TTV Flywheel, so can supply and fit. It will need the Phase 1 clutch, so best of both worlds really.

No noise on idle, but does have some cabin intrusion (a slight 'scraping' noise - think scraping metal with steel wool) when setting off, but not hugely so. I too was worried about cabin noise, as my previous experience in a more track biased car was quite intrusive cabin noise on idle. Not so in this case , and one could easily live with it, and the circa 10Kg in weight saving sure is a bonus coupled with the immediacy when it comes to rev matching on downshifts. You don't lose too much revs on upshifts either.

Well worthwhile.............and yes, it is most cost effective when done as part of an 'engine out' work package.

 

[PeteH]

I will be ordering all my parts via Paul at RPD. I dont feel I should broadcast the prices he has given me, but I know he would happily price them up for anyone, just email or call him..

Parts ordered:

From SGM - TTV Lightweight flywheel - £380 including VAT

from RPD
Cam Belt Kit
Aux Kit
Dephaser pulleys x 2 - these are the potential delay problem as are back order...
Water Pump
Phase 1 clutch
SlaveC
Cam seals
Bottom Crank pulley - SGM recommend.

SGM Labour - Awaiting quote..

Lets just say xmas is cancelled this year iolin:

 

[PeteH]

Definitely recommend the upgrade. Scott is an agent for the TTV Flywheel, so can supply and fit. It will need the Phase 1 clutch, so best of both worlds really.

No noise on idle, but does have some cabin intrusion (a slight 'scraping' noise - think scraping metal with steel wool) when setting off, but not hugely so. I too was worried about cabin noise, as my previous experience in a more track biased car was quite intrusive cabin noise on idle. Not so in this case , and one could easily live with it, and the circa 10Kg in weight saving sure is a bonus coupled with the immediacy when it comes to rev matching on downshifts. You don't lose too much revs on upshifts either.

Well worthwhile.............and yes, it is most cost effective when done as part of an 'engine out' work package.

Thanks for your feedback. Do you know how many other PHII owners have done this upgrade. My feel is this is a little unchartered ground :s

But at the cost of a replacment dual mass (£520 + vat), the phase 1 clutch and TTV flywheel (£380 includ vat) is a no brainer really....

 

[Paul@RPD]

Hi Chaps

Would you prefer the individual parts listed on the website or do you want me to add this to our website as a complete kit?

If you ever want prices feel free to pm me on here or drop me a email - [email protected]

Regards

Paul
RPD

 

[Lankan]

Definitely recommend the upgrade. Scott is an agent for the TTV Flywheel, so can supply and fit. It will need the Phase 1 clutch, so best of both worlds really.

No noise on idle, but does have some cabin intrusion (a slight 'scraping' noise - think scraping metal with steel wool) when setting off, but not hugely so. I too was worried about cabin noise, as my previous experience in a more track biased car was quite intrusive cabin noise on idle. Not so in this case , and one could easily live with it, and the circa 10Kg in weight saving sure is a bonus coupled with the immediacy when it comes to rev matching on downshifts. You don't lose too much revs on upshifts either.

Well worthwhile.............and yes, it is most cost effective when done as part of an 'engine out' work package.

Thanks for your feedback. Do you know how many other PHII owners have done this upgrade. My feel is this is a little unchartered ground :s

But at the cost of a replacment dual mass (£520 + vat), the phase 1 clutch and TTV flywheel (£380 includ vat) is a no brainer really....

Taipan, who has a Phase 2 engine and gearbox in his Phase 1 had this installed, so he too may be along with his feedback. I remember Scott mentioning that there were 3-4 others, so he may be able to give you a run down on who they are.

In the Vee world, yes, it may (considered to) be unchartered territory, but something that is a no brainer when you take into account the cost saving, weight saving on the rotational mass and added feel/experience if you really put it to use (i.e. drive the car as intended and not only for cruising around). Another worthwhile upgrade is the Quaife ATB differential, but the benefits are only seen when wet or on slippery surfaces - see here: LINK. However, you need to carefully evaluate the need for this as it is rather costly.

 

[Anonymous]

I have a phase 2 gearbox in my phase 1 but have no idea what clutch I have.

I'll look through the receipts as SG fitted it.

 

[roystinho]

I'm always a bit sceptical for whatever (stupid?) reason and I fitted an original clutch and flywheel when mine went about a year ago.

 

[taipan]

Taken from my project thread:
"Immediately there was a huge difference. The lightweight flywheel means the clutch pedal is incredibly light to use now, like pushing through water as opposed to treacle. Scott had forewarned me to expect a few different clunks and squeaks with the new flywheel, so I was listening out carefully thinking it would be almost inaudible. It isn’t, it’s really quite obvious, not in a bad way I hasten to add, i.e. it’s not overbearing. The sound is incredibly strange as the gear engages; the best way to describe it is wire wool being drawn across a porcelain plate. Once the gear is engaged the sound disappears to be replaced by an almost silent hissing sound; kind of like television static but with the sound right, right down – not the ‘chatter’ I was expecting then. I can’t say I noticed the flywheel was that different once on the move (was taking it pretty easy to be honest) but moving away is very different: revs, clutch can come up much quicker than before, wire wool sound and then whoomp, you’re off without any delay or OEM feeling of synchromesh type engagement. Quite simply it is easily the best mod put on the car to date."

It won't be for everyone, but I heartily recommend the upgrade - especially on a ph2 as the OEM dual mass is simply dreadful.
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If you're on the fence then I suggest going for a drive out in one that has had the work done.

 

[Lankan]

Nice one Jon - had forgotten about the DMF report!

Definitely no 'gear rattle' with the TTV installed.

 

[PeteH]

Thanks for all the feedback. I think I will be going for it!

SGM have confirmed labour for all the works. (Major serv, Cambelt, aux, Wpump, dephaser Pys, Clutch, TTV Fly, General check) will be approx £800

Now just gota get all the parts...Renault love a back order!

and recover car to SGM from kent...Anyone in Kent got a trailer I could borrow?

 

[matt.v10]

Great comments Jon,

The switch sounds really good. :approve:

In those notes are they all comments about the dual mass flywheel?

 

[taipan]

Thanks for all the feedback. I think I will be going for it!

SGM have confirmed labour for all the works. (Major serv, Cambelt, aux, Wpump, dephaser Pys, Clutch, TTV Fly, General check) will be approx £800

Now just gota get all the parts...Renault love a back order!

and recover car to SGM from kent...Anyone in Kent got a trailer I could borrow?

Scott uses a guy called Phil (I think). Used him myself when my car went from Kent to Scott's (coincidence?!) and can vouch for the care and attention the car got loading, securing and unloading. Price was reasonable as well.

 

[taipan]

Great comments Jon,

The switch sounds really good. :approve:

In those notes are they all comments about the dual mass flywheel?

Cheers Matt

Para 1 suggests a gear rattle they're trying to eradicate/improve. DMF and gear box mount addition
Para 2 suggests they are directly comparing gear rattle pre and post DMF
Para 3 says gear rattle improved but at the cost of the car's performance above 3500rpm. Note the sly dig at the dodgy performance to start with! "already marginal" lol

 

[matt.v10]

So Para 3 notes that with the TTV Flywheel and phase 1 clutch the cars engine performance is reduced!

If this is the case why does this happen?

Also what was the sentence about 'lurching' describe?

 

[taipan]

Ah can see how you got confused! No, this is Renault's pre-ph2 production notes. The whole note relates to the standard ph2 as sold by Renault.

 

[PeteH]

Thanks for all the feedback. I think I will be going for it!

SGM have confirmed labour for all the works. (Major serv, Cambelt, aux, Wpump, dephaser Pys, Clutch, TTV Fly, General check) will be approx £800

Now just gota get all the parts...Renault love a back order!

and recover car to SGM from kent...Anyone in Kent got a trailer I could borrow?

Scott uses a guy called Phil (I think). Used him myself when my car went from Kent to Scott's (coincidence?!) and can vouch for the care and attention the car got loading, securing and unloading. Price was reasonable as well.

Thanks, awaiting a quote from this chap..But may try and scam AA for homestart and recover to SGM