what would be a good transplant for the vee

[ray]

im thinking a golf r32 turn the vee into a 4 wheel moster plenty of vw tunners

 

[stevo]

audi 4 pot turbo, small light, and can get silly power from it, a chap was going to do it, but ended up selling his vee instead.

 

[waynemex]

Would have to be a nice stage 3 cossy turbo, a mate of mine runs one in his RS200 kit car with the renno 21 transaxle, keep it rwd with a decent clutch, wouldnt sound half as good tho

 

[Jamesv6]

I read the designers of the Vee were very relieved by not going down the turbo route. Air and heat issues was their concern. Not sure how much more of a headache that would be as a choice.

Stripping it out and keeping it on the ground would be my option (if I was 19 again)

 

[Brett]

im thinking a golf r32 turn the vee into a 4 wheel moster plenty of vw tunners

This would be interesting but the 4wd impossible. The transfer box on all transverse 4wd's are at the back of the engine so impossible to connect with the front. I reckon the best possible conversion would be a Honda NSX engine and box. 300bhp standard and can be tuned to epic levels. A turbo conversion would see off 5-600bhp easily and would be as reliable as a stock vee motor. If your really brave, over 1000bhp is available through US and Japan based tuners.

Try finding one though!!!

 

[k1ano]

Am not sure 4wd in a vee would work anyway due to the short wheelbase and low weight front end, I could easily see a big power cosworth turbo engine mounted low in the back though

Martin

 

[renaultalpine]

Keep it Renault (sort of) and V6.

Fit the VQ engine from a 350Z (also found in Renault Vel satis and latest Skyline). £1000 should buy a good one.

Bolt on a Turbonetics kit £3500 and a dyno proven 400+BHP (365bhp at the wheels) is yours at only 8psi.

Some of the Alpine boys are looking into this at the moment.

Not sure what you'd do transmission wise in the Vee though.

 

[k1ano]

I think someone looked at the 350Z engine some time ago Stephen but IIRC dimensionally it is much bigger than the Renault engine - taller I think it was ...

Be interesting to see how people get on though with the conversions you refer to ...

Martin

 

[T1RBO]

Not sure that modifying a vee is a sensible idea

 

[Brett]

That engine would be a pain in the ass to fit. Its never been fitted to a transverse gearbox so that problem will have to be sold. If the UN1 'box was to be used, the floor pan of the vee would need completly redesigning. Also its not the same engine as the new skyline. A fair few people seem to think it is but its not. Im pretty sure eery nut and bolt was newly designed on that particular car.

 

[Brett]

Am not sure 4wd in a vee would work anyway due to the short wheelbase and low weight front end, I could easily see a big power cosworth turbo engine mounted low in the back though

Martin

6R4 works well though :race:

 

[TRW1]

Not sure that modifying a vee is a sensible idea

You'd need to be a fool....!

If I recall David Appleby had plans to build a 4WD V6 at one point, possibly it was your car Mark that it was planned for(?) but it never happened.

A small lightweight turbo engine in the back is the obvious thought and heat issues can be resolved but you need to make sacrifices and drill a few holes somewhere.....

There's a long-running project on Cliosport putting such an engine in the back of a standard clio....

 

[renaultalpine]

That engine would be a pain in the ass to fit. Its never been fitted to a transverse gearbox so that problem will have to be sold. If the UN1 'box was to be used, the floor pan of the vee would need completly redesigning. Also its not the same engine as the new skyline. A fair few people seem to think it is but its not. Im pretty sure eery nut and bolt was newly designed on that particular car.

It's basically the same engine in the 350Z, Skyline, Espace, Laguna Coupe etc etc. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_VQ_engine

I didn't mean the GT-R which technically isn't called a Skyline any more.

That has the VR engine which although a development of the VQ is very very different internally. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_VR_engine

And yes the HR Skyline engines are also very different internally.

I'm talking about the commonly available and relatively cheap (& tuneable) 240-300bhp version. Chain driven too so no more cambelts to worry about. Good for the Alpine boys as relatively easy to mount to the inline UN1.

Yes, gearbox would be a big headache for the Vee as you say the original installation is transverse, but the PK6 is a relatively weak box that can't handle much more power so would have to be replaced anyway for a big power installation.

I still think it's a shame they chose the transverse route for the V6. If they'd moved it forward just a touch and made it mid-engined with a proper inline gearbox it would have been awesomely tunable and more inkeeping with the layout of the 5 Turbo that provided the inspiration. But PK6 was cheap, easy and the real reason the power output wasn't 285bhp in the road cars!

 

[renaultalpine]

Not sure that modifying a vee is a sensible idea

A small lightweight turbo engine in the back is the obvious thought and heat issues can be resolved but you need to make sacrifices and drill a few holes somewhere.....

There's a long-running project on Cliosport putting such an engine in the back of a standard clio....

True. If you can get 400-500bhp out of an F7R hybrid it would certainly shift. Am planning to turbo one of the Spiders if I get time. Have the manifold ready...

One of the guys in France had a tuned L7X (320-350bhp ish) in his Spider but ditched it because of the weight issues ruining the handling (tendancy for the back to snap - sound familiar!) and has gone back to a highly tuned 4 pot.

 

[stevev6]

One of the guys in France had a tuned L7X (320-350bhp ish) in his Spider but ditched it because of the weight issues ruining the handling (tendancy for the back to snap - sound familiar!) and has gone back to a highly tuned 4 pot......


Stephen, was this Andy's yellow spider? - if it was, its a shame he can't live with it as it was a very neat job indeed! :approve:

Steve.

 

[renaultalpine]

No Andy has an F4R turbo install with 6 speed box (from a Megane 225) and yes it's a really neat job. All running OK but I think he's going to change to a garrett turbo.

It's his friend that had the V6 conversion (engine originally from a Clio V6 Phase I) and the weight was causing handling issues so he's going back to a tuned 4 pot.