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Suppliers for the next group buys (ECU remap and/or Springs)

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I'm not quite sure what guarantee your wanting but up to now i have never offered warranty as such.... If the remap is causing problems then of course this will be fixed but if your car goes bang in 5k miles this would not be covered simply down to the fact that it would be near on impossible to point fingers to the remap and i know for sure many people would!

P.S. i have never had a car blow up!

Cheers

Paul
 
By way of an example, this is what Superchips say about warranties:-

What does the SUPERCHIPS warranty offer?
In the extremely unlikely event of a Superchip being responsible for causing damage to your vehicle, Superchips will, under the terms and conditions of our warranty, repair your vehicle.

We arrange for an independent assessor to evaluate the problem and to arrange for the repair of your vehicle quickly and professionally.

The warranty is not intended to replace the existing warranty provided by the manufacturer, but will supplement it to cover the parts deemed to be excluded by the manufacturer. Full terms and conditions are available upon request.



Can you comment on payment & the flat spot issue please?
 
Hmm, i'd love to see someone putting a claim in for that!

I can't comment on the flat spot as i don't drive the mapped vee so nev will be your best bet.

Payment can be made either via cash, cheque, paypal and at a push credit card. We don't actually accept CC as we have never really had the need to. If payment is made by paypal or credit car there would be a charge (only to cover costs).

This sound ok?

Cheers

Paul
 
Re: warranties I can see both sides of this. It would be nice to have some words in a "warranty" to cover issues like superchips offer. BUT I can see Paul's point. How on earth could you prove the map was at fault in the event of a claim? We all know with warranties if you can't prove who is at fault then you can't claim. Superchips wouldn't just give you a new engine if yours blew up. Their assessor would have to agree that the map directly caused the engine to go. BUT how could they know? If you rag the engine hard with a remap it will be working a fraction harder. Thus ultimately more likely to fail, but is the failure the fault of the map or just wear and tear. Maybe just bought about a fraction sooner due to the map? Sounds like you'd have no chance to me. I've also not read Superchips terms and conditions which may be important. There may be some wide-ranging exclusions!

IMO a full Reanuly warranty is the only thing to be able to help in these scenarios, and even then there is the classic "wear and tear" clause to be wary of. :roll:

Peter :(
 
A re-map of this nature with cars that have a filter and back box on at then most is going to do very little and will not dramatically change anything and will certainly not cause the engine to blow up.

Does adding a filter or an exhaust warrant a warranty from the company you purchase them from?

I certainly don't think so and don't remember getting one in writing from Quicksilver or K&N...

Guys...its a remap, not a twin turbo conversion...

A warrnty is not needed or justified y RS Tuning.

Having a Re-map will also null and void your existing Renault Warranty severely (if they notice it of course)

I'm pretty sure changing the exhaust, suspension, filter etc will all also invalidate a warranty but I may be wrong.
 
Guys,

I'm in on the deal, but I'm concerned about my availability when the date is agreed. I'm facing a 8 hour round trip to London and we're just about hitting the xmas party season. I'm having to host 2 parties for my staff plus I'm off skiing the week before xmas.

If the date in Leeds is more flexible, then that might be my best option... :?
 
They don't give a fuck. You atke the car in and the dealer get's paid by Renault. Mine has just had thousands of pounds worth of warranty work and nobody mentioned the noisey as fuck exhaust... I doubt they even realised it was an aftermarket one.
 
So how long until the warranty runs out Ant? You selling it before then??

P.S. Nice nos plate on your avatar :wink:
 
I'm not sure. I think mine is an 04 car so I guess another year. Might extend it if I keep it? Although, I have a feeling it will he fine from here on in.
 
Kett":14zfbamc said:
Guys,

I'm in on the deal, but I'm concerned about my availability when the date is agreed. I'm facing a 8 hour round trip to London and we're just about hitting the xmas party season. I'm having to host 2 parties for my staff plus I'm off skiing the week before xmas.

If the date in Leeds is more flexible, then that might be my best option... :?

AFAIK as Leeds is at Pauls premises he could do any dates you can fit in both your schedules. Its only the London one thats a one-off.

Peter :D
 
Peter255":2xy49obl said:
AFAIK as Leeds is at Pauls premises he could do any dates you can fit in both your schedules. Its only the London one thats a one-off.

Peter :D


Cheers Peter :D

I know you need numbers for the London meet, and I wouldn't like to let people down if it came to the crunch. London is my preferred choice.

A Leeds run would take me up through mid Wales. Auto-Heaven in the dry. :D (Auto-Hell in the snow! :twisted: )
 
A couple of people have pm'ed me for a bit more info with my experiance of the map so far, so here's a bit more info, including any flat spot's I've noticed.

I guess it's quite a hard thing to notice, especially now that I've become accustomed to any additional power I've had .

My initial impression was there was quite a bit of extra pull between 3,500-4,500rpm and then it did seem to hit a bit of a flat spot between 4,500-5,000rpm. The changes I am talking about here are minimal by the way so I'm not talking about any major extra power or indeed a sudden power loss.

When I've gone to look at the maps to see if what felt made sense everything seemed to tally up. There's an obvious blip at 3,500-4,500rpm followed by a more steep decline. However if you look closely the decline at 4,500-5,000rpm is pretty much the same kind of decline as how the standard map. I guess what I'm saying is at 5,000rpm there only feels to be a flat spot as there is such large blip in extra torque just before it....and really the torque is no flatter than the normal map if this makes sense.

Again, just to reiterate all these changes I am talking about are pretty minimal and overall there certainly isn't a massive difference in power or torque.

Let me know if you want me to try and go into more detail, but I think for the money it's a great power gain (especially if you have a QS which might be getting you an extra 6bhp on top of that).

I can understand that people aren't wanting to part with their cash if it's going to make some flat spots.....at the end of the day I think it's better, it isn't much money and if someone really is nervous about it then let them have their ecu mapped first, let them take it for a spin whilst the others are getting mapped and if they don't like it Paul can put the old one back on. Yeah I know that would be a waste of £245 but there's nothing being done that you can't put back in 5 mins.

Cheers
Nev
 
Guys,
At present I only have a BMC fitted but am still keen for the chip anyhoo.
Is there scope to 'tweak' the mapping after any additional mods and at what kind of cost?

Danke

Steve
 
SteveClioV6":k3c9arzg said:
Guys,
At present I only have a BMC fitted but am still keen for the chip anyhoo.
Is there scope to 'tweak' the mapping after any additional mods and at what kind of cost?

Danke

Steve

According to Paul there is no need for a different map with induction kits / back box changes. You only need a different map for more radical work like cams, full exhaust, new plenum etc.

Peter :D
 
itz_baseline":3k8k9ddn said:
A couple of people have pm'ed me for a bit more info with my experiance of the map so far, so here's a bit more info, including any flat spot's I've noticed.

I guess it's quite a hard thing to notice, especially now that I've become accustomed to any additional power I've had .

The changes I am talking about here are minimal by the way so I'm not talking about any major extra power or indeed a sudden power loss.

Again, just to reiterate all these changes I am talking about are pretty minimal and overall there certainly isn't a massive difference in power or torque.

Cheers
Nev

Is it really worth it then? Not form this report it would seem? Minimal and not noticeable spring to mind....
 
I think when you are tuning cars, especially n/a ones, you have to have realistic expectations.

Each mod only typically makes a small incremental difference - it's only when you add them all up that you start to get a real noticeable 'feel' of the extra power.

Unfortunately with a niche car like the Vee each of these mods is also quite costly.

I do think the ECU mod seems good value for money plus it would appear that fuelling is better for improved MPG and response. I think Nev is trying to be frank about his experiences and I didn't read them as negative.

I think anyone modding a car has to have realistic expectations about each modification benefit/disadvantages but more importantly some idea of where they want to go with mods longer term or cummatively.

N/a cars are all about improving breathing into and out of the engine, coupled with optimum fuelling. My choice would be induction, free flow exhaust manifolds and box (including de-cats) followed by any ECU improvements. But since exhaust manifolds and de-cats are prohibitively expensive for me ...

I have made my decision to keep the Vee standard at present as it is less costly, does not invalidate my warranty or insurance and prevents me going down the slippery modification slope I have been on with other cars - quite frankly the Vee is fine as it is for me.

There is a lot to be said for Turbo cars cause they are SO easy to tune - and relatively cheaply within reason.

I recommened anyone to get a turbo car as a second car ;-)

Martin
 
You've seen the figures.

8.4 HP and 8-9 lb/ft.

More power throughout the rev range.

Torque coming in ~500rpm earlier than standard.

Not massive but worth £245. :wink:

Peter :D
 
^^what they said.

It isn't cheap to squeeze more power from any car unles it has a turbo on it, but £245 is pretty good and far better value power wise than an exhaust or induction kit.
 
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