21 Turbo Quadra 4wd system

[DaveL485]

Moved from another thread to avoid a hijack

 

[Craig Righton]

Yep,

I had this car, fixed it (new engine) drove it around (Belgium) included then sold it to Ollie.

Here's a link to some pics I have of it in Belgium.

http://smg.photobucket.com/user/craig.cc1/library/j2 mhr?sort=3&page=1

 

[timmy21turbo]

Is that a genuine europa cup camshaft that you have? Where did you get it from?

it is a genuine one and unfortunately I don't no were it came from as it came with the car along with the evo bonnet too.
nice little treasure box this one.

 

[DaveL485]

it is a genuine one and unfortunately I don't no were it came from as it came with the car along with the evo bonnet too.
nice little treasure box this one.

Could well be the one Stu Harrington sold. Did it come in a wooden box?

 

[timmy21turbo]

im not to sure as still haven't picked it up from Wayne what are them cams worth out of interest and what sort of power gains do you get from them

 

[DaveL485]

im not to sure as still haven't picked it up from Wayne what are them cams worth out of interest and what sort of power gains do you get from them

You need the engine mapping to suit.... with that cam and a proper ECU map you'll see >around< 250hp.

 

[timmy21turbo]

where would you advise to get it mapped ?

 

[timmy21turbo]

also did you have a idea on the value

 

[DaveL485]

where would you advise to get it mapped ?

Very difficult to get it mapped in the UK, there isn't anyone that specialises in the right EPROM. There is a place in belgium but mapping and travel is almost as much as a standalone ECU. In the UK, i'd suggest getting an Adaptronic E420D ECU fitted and mapped by EFI Parts in Runcorn. I run one on mine.

Value...depends on condition and spec. If its a proper genuine Europa Cup you'd probably see a couple of hundred quid, maybe more, from the French guys, all the way down to a bad condition copy which would be worth next to nothing, £20 to use as a sample for copying maybe.

 

[Lewis]

Such a shame, doesn't look in bad nick still.

Clearing out some emails and found this, may tempt someone?
Although I'm not sure if the Quadra was completely broken for spares or is still available?

"£750 for the complete car just needs the engine putting back in and the screen changing other than that it would fly through an mot!
Yes but not been on the club for years now I must admit
Cheers
Dale"

at a guess @Haz ? He was selling one a while back

Andy, Haz was selling a genuine europa cup cam, I know that because he purchased it from me and I purchased it from Jo in Belgium. Jo got it when he cleared out most of the 21 turbo Renault sport items from Benny Reapers. This cam came in a wooden wine box with the original cardboard tube inside with the Alpine Renault Sport part number attached. It matched to the Europa cup parts catalogue. I'm certain Haz had it measured by Scoff as he sent me the plots for the lift and duration. From memory you cannot reprofile a standard 21 turbo cam to europacup cam specs, you would need a billet to machine it onto.

Haz any chance of finding those photos? I think I deleted the text message some years ago!

Could well be the one Stu Harrington sold. Did it come in a wooden box?

I'm fairly sure Stu's cam came from somewhere else and wasn't a genuine europa cup item.

As for value if it is genuine europa cup and it can be proved then I paid £200/£250 something like that, to the right person using it for the right engine setup it should be still be worth that all day long. However if its for a fast road 21 I'm certain that one of Piper/Newman cams's re-profiles of the standard cam will make decent figures and a nicer road engine, the bonus is the regrinds are usually cheaper.

 

[DaveL485]

Aye, @la21t made 297bhp on a regrind. Non too shabby!

Billet, especially one-off, is horrifying prices...my cam was £750 with a matching 5-bolt pulley.

 

[la21t]

The europacup cam was deemed by Scoff as 'not much use in a road car'.

 

[andybond]

The europacup cam was deemed by Scoff as 'not much use in a road car'.

Too lumpy ?

 

[la21t]

Too lumpy ?

Yeah he said given the revs needed to make it produce peak power, it would make it nigh on pointless to use. I'm already thinking of changing mine, as I want power a bit earlier......when speccing mine I said to Piper 'I want to go fast and make high numbers please' lol

 

[andybond]

I guess its about how you want to make power.
More area under the graph needed then.

Because [HASHTAG]#racecar[/HASHTAG] isnt always the best solution it seems

My meg was easier to drive ( but not faster ) when

rather than

Have to keep on the gas for longer.

Dont regret it though !

 

[la21t]

Hold on let me try and post from phone

 

[la21t]

Ok, email the pic from my phone and open it on PC to upload it lol

This is how mine left Scoff, hopefully the GT2860RS will help, as should the planned mainfolds.

 

[Deleted member 486]

This is how mine left Scoff, hopefully the GT2860RS will help, as should the planned mainfolds.

Jesus - that must feel laggy as hell!
Impressive numbers though

Are the turbo & manifolds aimed to making it less laggy or just higher peak numbers?

 

[DaveL485]

You can upload from your phone the same way you upload from a PC you turnip.

The turbo will help, it'll spool earlier.

 

[la21t]

@stavers I've been told that going for a 'swedish' style plenum should improve response and yes ultimately they'll improve numbers. I also figured that given the heads been ported by 8mm on exhaust side, I ought to have a manifold to match.

I'm sure if anyone on here can educate me its you

 

[la21t]

You can upload from your phone the same way you upload from a PC you turnip.

The turbo will help, it'll spool earlier.

No.....I attempted to upload from phone, it kept asking to select a file, when I selected the desired picture guess what it did.......asked me to select a file.