Pre Production V6 Phase 2

[GPH]

An interesting car that normally wouldn't see the light of day so good luck in getting it all sorted out. Obviously pre production cars like this normally get sent to the crusher and certainly not sold but obviously this was was sold off by the TWR receivers so it has. Even some of the original Renault Press cars get returned to france to go in the crusher as they contain non standard parts rather than be sold on and cause problems. I remember a whole batch of Megane 2 that got sent back to France for dismantling after they had been used on the Press fleet - but that was mainly because the electrics were crap! This could be worth a lot of money in years to come. The pre-pro 1970 Range Rovers which were badged VELAR to hide their identity fetch a fortune now as a couple slipped into private hands. best of luck.

 

[ClioSpyder]

Best of Luck Rex...............keep us all in the picture, as we're all interested to hear the outcome.

 

[rabbitstew]

Good luck. From my hotrod days, normally if you can prove the date a car was built then DVLA are happy to issue an age related plate. Its when the cars made up from loads of different bits from different years that they start to get a bit funny and put a Q plate on. As others have said, once its got a Q plate you cant stick a private plate on it.

Cracking find though! Im very jealous!

 

[Rex]

Hi all,

Thanks for your replies.

 

[Rex]

An interesting car that normally wouldn't see the light of day so good luck in getting it all sorted out. Obviously pre production cars like this normally get sent to the crusher and certainly not sold but obviously this was was sold off by the TWR receivers so it has. Even some of the original Renault Press cars get returned to france to go in the crusher as they contain non standard parts rather than be sold on and cause problems. I remember a whole batch of Megane 2 that got sent back to France for dismantling after they had been used on the Press fleet - but that was mainly because the electrics were crap! This could be worth a lot of money in years to come. The pre-pro 1970 Range Rovers which were badged VELAR to hide their identity fetch a fortune now as a couple slipped into private hands. best of luck.

On the subject of crushing beautiful prototype cars, this happened to Citroen's BX GT4. Although hardly beautiful, this particular Group B rally car that never was sat outside the factory in the rain in hundreds of examples for years before somebody sent them to the crusher. Whilst to me this is pure sacrilege, you're very right about this pushing up the value.

My point of view as a motor trade professional is that Renault's are terrible cars and I've had my fingers burnt many a time recently - mostly with their notoriously sub-standard modern diesel engines and gearboxes that go bang for fun.....

And then they go and build a righteous baby like this, the Turbo 1/2 or even provide the engine's that made Sebastian Vettel a world champion. A bit if an enigma to me. In fact, I took a French friend to the UK recently and his fist comment down the M20 is "you Brits aren't as daft as us, I've not seen a single Renault for 40 miles!". But I digress....

One final question or my SVA paperwork before hitting the technical section;

Can anyone tell me where the engine number is located on the block?

 

[Rex]

Hi there good morning to all....

I'm still trying to register my preproduction ph2 v6 and the final stumbling block seems to be a dating letter - something Renault cannot supply (although they have given me some interesting info on the car and engine) and I cannot get from TWR as obviously they don't exist anymore.

This probably isn't the right place to ask but is the owners club able to give me such accreditation? This is what the DVLA are willing to accept but the three Renault owners club featured on their online lists only deal with much older Renault's.

I do have a genuine VIN sticker with a fabrication date indicated as April (Avril) 2001.

I would be eternally grateful for any help - all I want to do is drive her on the road legally! :ihatpcs:

 

[Jamesv6]

Curiously your fabrication number is much higher than cars built in April 2001.

 

[rustedandrotten]

Gear oil from the breather is due to overfilling! The hole in the side is a filler not a level, you need a twopenny/hapenny dip stick from Renault to get the level right, of you can just let it blow out the breather as mine did round Montlhery! Can be exciting as the nearside(UK) rear gets more than a little slippery! Also make sure you have the correct grade of TOTAL/Elf oil in the box, which is as you correctly guessed sourced out of the Trafic parts bin! :approve:
Never really thought that these need an LSD and wouldnt be rushing out to fit one, traction with the right tyres is stupendous and break in traction is actually giving the gearbox a bit of a safety valve.
Fascinating thread and a car tio be rightly proud of :bow:

 

[MarkK]

Rex, I think that you'll have to go through the 'V765 Scheme'. That is a process where 'classic cars' that have been found in a barn and the original documents long lost can be re-united with their original number plates....OR, an imported car that has never been registered in the UK can obtain an age-related plate.

A club has to be recognised under the V765 Scheme in order to be able to look at the car and authenticate that it is the real deal, and when it was built, and issue a letter. Armed with that letter, and a current MOT and insurance, you can then get the car registered.

There is a document you can download (the aptly named V765/1) which lists the clubs that are authorised to issue such a letter. Obviously they have to know their stuff! In the document are these three which may be worth contacting to see if they can help:

Renault Classic Car Club - Anthony Redrup
Email: [email protected]

Renault Freres Club - John Kemsley
Email: [email protected]

Renault Owners Club - John Henderson
Email: [email protected]

Download the document as it will give you more info.
V765/1 pdf

In the longer term it may be worth a couple of folks in the V6Clio club investigating what is required for the club to issue authentication documents.

Mark

 

[Rex]

Curiously your fabrication number is much higher than cars built in April 2001.

James,

Could you expand on that ? When I initially posted in '13 nobody seemed to recognise the chassis ?

Can the V6 Clio club provide some sort of dating certificate based on records you're presumably citing ?

 

[Rex]

Rex, I think that you'll have to go through the 'V765 Scheme'. That is a process where 'classic cars' that have been found in a barn and the original documents long lost can be re-united with their original number plates....OR, an imported car that has never been registered in the UK can obtain an age-related plate.

A club has to be recognised under the V765 Scheme in order to be able to look at the car and authenticate that it is the real deal, and when it was built, and issue a letter. Armed with that letter, and a current MOT and insurance, you can then get the car registered.

There is a document you can download (the aptly named V765/1) which lists the clubs that are authorised to issue such a letter. Obviously they have to know their stuff! In the document are these three which may be worth contacting to see if they can help:

Renault Classic Car Club - Anthony Redrup
Email: [email protected]

Renault Freres Club - John Kemsley
Email: [email protected]

Renault Owners Club - John Henderson
Email: [email protected]

Download the document as it will give you more info.
V765/1 pdf

In the longer term it may be worth a couple of folks in the V6Clio club investigating what is required for the club to issue authentication documents.

Mark

Thanks Mark,

I've already tried that route but thanks for the advice - these clubs seem to hold records for Renault's pre 1970 only. The last person on the list suggested contacting Alpine owners Club (I'm not sure that's going to offer much).

It would seem the DVLA are willing to accept a certification from an owners club, hence my demand here. Thanks anyway

 

[Rex]

Gear oil from the breather is due to overfilling! The hole in the side is a filler not a level, you need a twopenny/hapenny dip stick from Renault to get the level right, of you can just let it blow out the breather as mine did round Montlhery! Can be exciting as the nearside(UK) rear gets more than a little slippery! Also make sure you have the correct grade of TOTAL/Elf oil in the box, which is as you correctly guessed sourced out of the Trafic parts bin! :approve:
Never really thought that these need an LSD and wouldnt be rushing out to fit one, traction with the right tyres is stupendous and break in traction is actually giving the gearbox a bit of a safety valve.
Fascinating thread and a car tio be rightly proud of :bow:

mine spar the oil out full tilt on the french motorway, not ideal with the ridiculous steering rack I'm aiming to change once these woes are over. I haven't dyno'd her yet but I'm guessing the VTEC prototype engine (confirmed by Renault) is putting out more power than standard. But these clio's like any other high powered rwd car certainly need an LSD for hard driving imo.

 

[Ali]

Not that I've driven a V6 with a LSD...But I think it's perfectly fine on track without one.

 

[Jamesv6]

Curiously your fabrication number is much higher than cars built in April 2001.

James,

Could you expand on that ? When I initially posted in '13 nobody seemed to recognise the chassis ?

Can the V6 Clio club provide some sort of dating certificate based on records you're presumably citing ?

I am just using your fabrication number not the VIN/Chassis number.

I put in various 2001 Vees into the system. A pattern forms, cars with a much lesser number than yours are all built in May and June.

H343579 05/2001
H343586 05/2001
H343588 05/2001
H343589 05/2001

H343594 06/2001
H343702 Yours

 

[Jamesv6]

Assume your VF1C VIN number is the same stamped underneath the seat?

 

[Rex]

Assume your VF1C VIN number is the same stamped underneath the seat?

No I have no cold stamp under the seat it is blank like a new shell.

 

[Will]

Curiously your fabrication number is much higher than cars built in April 2001.

James,

Could you expand on that ? When I initially posted in '13 nobody seemed to recognise the chassis ?

Can the V6 Clio club provide some sort of dating certificate based on records you're presumably citing ?

I am just using your fabrication number not the VIN/Chassis number.

I put in various 2001 Vees into the system. A pattern forms, cars with a much lesser number than yours are all built in May and June.

H343579 05/2001
H343586 05/2001
H343588 05/2001
H343589 05/2001

H343594 06/2001
H343702 Yours

Just thought I would add that my car was made in March 2001 and is H343614 just to mess your pattern up James .

 

[Rex]

Just thought I would add that my car was made in March 2001 and is H343614 just to mess your pattern up James

It goes to show the artisanal nature of these and other rare beasts, I've had Westfield's and even Lotus's - they can rarely even state how many they have actually made, if or not they were factory built let alone anything else. None helpful to this particular cause.

 

[Alpineandy]

The last person on the list suggested contacting Alpine owners Club (I'm not sure that's going to offer much).

As the RAOC is run by Steve Dell who owns one of the other Pre Production V6 Ph2s, you could be surprised on that one!

 

[Rex]

The last person on the list suggested contacting Alpine owners Club (I'm not sure that's going to offer much).

As the RAOC is run by Steve Dell who owns one of the other Pre Production V6 Ph2s, you could be surprised on that one!

I stand corrected! It seems a common misconception among the French that Alpine built the V6 Clio.

It would seem I have struck gold and a dating letter (I say this tentatively) has been approved. More to follow.....

Thanks to all thus far [smilie=thanks.gif]