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Overpriced damaged Ph2 for sale..............

Thats my old car. I would steer well clear if anyone ever thinks of rebuilding. Its not just panel damage as inferred in the ad, there is another advert on ebay but with more pictures. The important part is look at the drivers door - its about 2" too high. Thats because there is a massive 6 or 7" dent to the floor plan that has pushed the drivers seat and door upwards, where I side swiped a large lump of concrete. The only panels that were not damaged were the passenger side.

Oh, and in the other advert he claims that ".....the insurance company paid out over £20000 on this...." - I wish !!!

Seeing it again has made me even more sad. But currently looking out for a replacement........
 
The advert price is high but does reflect the value of these cars, if you consider this was a 15k car i think that if the seller has the parts to repair this is realistic, also the ad did allow offers.
too much moaning about prices of damaged cars could affect us all in the future, we all ought to be a little more careful what is said, insurance companies can read.
And why is there a big deal anyway with a car thats had a bump, all these cars are is the sum of a pile of bits welded together properly, the clio v6 being a cut and shut shell to start with. personally i think if the repair is done properly by craftsmen there is nothing to worry about, a perfect example is steve with the car he has repaired and prepped, it better than mine, and mine has not had a bump.
 
^^ the important point I'd make from Steves rebuild thread is what it's cost him to get the car to a finished state and the perceived value people put on a category damaged car - this one potentially will be the same cost as a non category damaged car by the time it's been put right judging by whats needed - be ok for someone who intends to keep it forever.

Steves build is a great example of what you can do but is also an example of the unknown factors in buying a damaged car I'd say.
 
Clearly this ad is only showing the 'good' side so is pretty misleading about the scale of the damage it would seem which in itself is suggesting the seller is trying to 'down play' the damage or even has perhaps bought the car thinking it could be repaired for a reasonable cost/effort and realised it is a bigger more expensive job than first thought - as many of us know it is.

Martin
 
As highlighted you can be 100% sure when all said & done the repairs to that car would total at least 5/6k-

You can never estimate the repair bill on a VEE unless you are an expert on the price file for parts-

For example if theres damage to the underskin ( which it sounds like there is hitting concrete) you will smash the air con pipes to bits-

so a new undertray- probably £500, both air con pipes- £250 each, + the unit- theres 1k before you start-
If you look at the rear right, thats a light cluster + rear wing + bumper- thats another 1k down the drain inc paint-
Front end - bumper grill bonnet & poss wing- + Paint = another 1.5k
Then whats behind the bumper- new tray,battery- more coolent pipes???- ££££
New door + paint- ~ 1k

I bet theres 5k without to much scratching the surface-


A 2004 CLio v6 on those miles would be ~ 13k in good condition- so Cat D in good condition is worth around 9k-

With that in mind its probably worth 3k to buy to repair, although sadly its probably worth more as parts......

S
 
If the price is right and you like the idea of a project then why not, But the time in sourcing the bits alone ( Not forgetting the costs ) would kill it for me.


Shame to see another one broken, if it go's that way.
 
k1ano":1zlq6y4i said:
Clearly this ad is only showing the 'good' side so is pretty misleading about the scale of the damage it would seem which in itself is suggesting the seller is trying to 'down play' the damage or even has perhaps bought the car thinking it could be repaired for a reasonable cost/effort and realised it is a bigger more expensive job than first thought - as many of us know it is.

Martin
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I have seen the bad side (and got a photo) and it is a mess!!!
 
mossyv6":3ui3eb5f said:
k1ano":3ui3eb5f said:
Clearly this ad is only showing the 'good' side so is pretty misleading about the scale of the damage it would seem which in itself is suggesting the seller is trying to 'down play' the damage or even has perhaps bought the car thinking it could be repaired for a reasonable cost/effort and realised it is a bigger more expensive job than first thought - as many of us know it is.

Martin
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I have seen the bad side (and got a photo) and it is a mess!!!
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Post up the bad side Mossy for the record ...

James, are pics of this going in the graveyard section of the gallery ?

Martin
 
When the incident occurred, the car was up on to the low loader and I was then able to see the damage to the floor pan - once I realised the extent of the damage my thoughts were "I hope they write it off, I don't want it back"

I'm no mechanic, but are major repairs to the floor pan possible ? The dent was quite extensive and I would have thought required an area under the drivers seat being cut out and a new plate welded in. I certainly would not want a car that had had that done to it. That is major structural work surely?

If the damage was just bodywork, I think the car might have survived and I would have been happy to have it back (as long as the work was done to high standard).

I know its sad to see another bite the dust (and believe me I was sad about it, and still am) but in some cases a car biting the dust is better than another ropey one doing the rounds that some poor unsuspecting person ends up with.
 
Lots of great comments here, most that i agree with so i don't want to start an argument BUT, what if it wasn't a vee but a 1937 auto union, or even a 1938 alfa 8c, these cars are being restored by folk starting off with a wheel nut! so whats the difference, the comment about welding in part or all of a floor pan is nonsense really as to start with the floorpan was a sheet of metal, but its all about availability. the clio v6 is already a pretty rare car, imagine in 25 years time how owners or potential owners will feel about these cars. most WILL have bit the dust by then, if not by the rust worm then by the ditch finding handling dept. so the potential of owning a car that there is less than 50 left, floorpan no problem.
hope this stimulates the mind, who knows what the future holds, i mean who would think a stylophone would be collectible!
 
Agreed, But you would have to fix it now. The parts and labour rate ( Unless you can do it yourself ) will escalate in time.

The floorpan wouldn't bother me because a panel could be sourced from a lesser Clio and you could get your hand on one probably for years to come, But getting hold of rear quarters or door moldings and plastic injection parts would be a nightmare i would imagine. ( I've seen side pods go for £350 a side ) [smilie=icon_eek.gif]

With older cars you have a chance because they were simple, Granted anybody with skills, sheet steel and an english wheel could rattle up a doorskin.


I'm an ex Saab tech and i doubt even these will see old age and become classics, EG, A convertible roof alone has 6 microswitches, two potentiometers, four motors, control module and 2 shear pins. ( Probably more now )

The price of these parts are huge now and i doubt you could get hold of them in 20 years time.

It's a shame as i think a lot of modern classics will get side lined due to parts /cost factors.
 
Missing Link":2d337es1 said:
If you bought it and kept it for parts, Well thats another story.......... you'd be quids in.
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trouble is, when you have a spare nothing will break.
 
SPIKE":3pjrz5tf said:
Missing Link":3pjrz5tf said:
If you bought it and kept it for parts, Well thats another story.......... you'd be quids in.
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trouble is, when you have a spare nothing will break.
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Ahh, But what about selling on in years to come ?

What would you pay for a N/S driveshaft or some other vital part 15 years form now, if your baby was off the road.

Long time to hang on to something i know, But read any classic car mag and every month some old motor or part has been found and sells for silly money.
 
As the forum expert, due to my stupid move of buying a damaged V6, here's my humble opinion

The shell with proberly be twisted so will need jigging, you will need to source a sill section with some floor and the A and B posts, off a used breaking car £600 plus jigging and panel fitting £1200. If not you will be spending LOTS at renault,£2000 if the panels are available.

You will also need door with glass and overskin skin £400 , oversill £200, rear wing £1200 and scoop £550,front wing £350, seat for airbag deployment £200, roof repairs etc, with a finished value of £10K to 11K, repairs of at least £6k it value is about £4K max and you could still catch a big cold.

At a value of £4K it maybe better to break it, but even then your will need to sell almost everything off the car to get that much.

I would not buy it unless it was about £3K max but now as many parts are being put on the unavailabe list by Renault even that price would not be low enough.

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