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Front & Rear Disc and Bell setup Group Buy
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Local collection (From London SE16 5ES) free.
Next day courier UK wide £15.00
With respect to clarkie's prices i think we need to focus on the fact that the rotor and bell setup is universally seen as an upgrade, both in looks and more importantly performance.
Fronts
Clarkie £376
GB £420-470 (numbers dependant)
Rears still look v good on GB prices. It's also arguably nice to get matching front and rears!
Peter
Delivery options:
Local collection (From London SE16 5ES) free.
Next day courier UK wide £15.00
With respect to clarkie's prices i think we need to focus on the fact that the rotor and bell setup is universally seen as an upgrade, both in looks and more importantly performance.
Fronts
Clarkie £376
GB £420-470 (numbers dependant)
Rears still look v good on GB prices. It's also arguably nice to get matching front and rears!
Peter
Peter255 - Rear discs with yellow bells (happy to wait till the prices is lowest)
Ali - Front disks/bells, Blue in colour. Before May.
Looch - front & rear discs (bells in blue) good to go now or in a month or so
farmersclio - front and rear discs and front pads, - as soon as possible.
emma777 - front and rear discs and pads, red bells (not in a rush so any time)
Ali - Front disks/bells, Blue in colour. Before May.
Looch - front & rear discs (bells in blue) good to go now or in a month or so
farmersclio - front and rear discs and front pads, - as soon as possible.
emma777 - front and rear discs and pads, red bells (not in a rush so any time)
Peter255":1z3fgydn said:Rears still look v good on GB prices. It's also arguably nice to get matching front and rears!
This new information messes it up for me, as I'm only in for rears and Clarkie is likely to be fitting them (though he doesn't know it yet
).It's also arguably nice to get matching front and rears - and (sadly) I fitted new OEM fronts 2k miles ago.
Sadly, I'm out. [smilie=boohoo.gif]
Peter255":monhe3j7 said:Update:
With respect to clarkie's prices i think we need to focus on the fact that the rotor and bell setup is universally seen as an upgrade, both in looks and more importantly performance.
No offence Peter but I thought right at the begining of the group buy the aim was to get good quality disks as cheap as possible and blow Renault prices out of the water, hence the whole point of a group buy. Nobody seemed worried about the performance and looks. It certainly wasn't the "focus" weeks and weeks ago. With a bit of research there are more than a few options out there and if you ask Reno nicely they can actually beat the GB price by a fair bit if you mention numbers to them. Sort of makes this GB a bit pointless imho. It's nothing personal pointed at you Peter, just my opinion. Good luck with it all though :approve:
renaultalpine
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I'm biased of course but the group buy rears are still the same price (1 pair) or cheaper (5 pairs +) than even the most heavily discounted Renault rears, which are inferior, so it makes no sense to buy those unless you want 100% originality. The performance and looks benefits are just a bonus.
And also, another point which some people seem to be missing, is that you can then just replace the rotors which makes them even cheaper next time around.
Seeing as you have modified or are planning to modify almost every other area of your own car I'm suprised to see you singing the praises of OEM disks, that are likely to be dearer than an upgraded version :s
Not disputting the fact that the price of these disks are very good, just that the whole point originally for the group buy was for people to get CHEAPER disks not uprated disks for OEM prices. Ive learnt to ass lick renault dealers for my own good recently and like Clarkey, can get stock disks for around the £350 mark. I just thought with a GB, these prices could maybe be improved on. Have any other companies been involved or spoken to for cheaper quotes other than Renault and compbrake? Anyone researched into if other high quality disks fit?
As for them being fitted to my car, I'd be more than happy to have them under my wheels. A credit to you Stephen, they are a very good disk and at a good price. However, in my opinion a true upgrade in braking is when the disks are of a bigger size and stop the car quicker so this will be my next upgrade. I'm just after cheap disks to pass this year out.
Honestly Stephen, I'm by no means picking fault with the disks in anyway shape or form. I'm purely stating there are cheaper options which in my opinion is the whole point of a group buy. :approve:
As for them being fitted to my car, I'd be more than happy to have them under my wheels. A credit to you Stephen, they are a very good disk and at a good price. However, in my opinion a true upgrade in braking is when the disks are of a bigger size and stop the car quicker so this will be my next upgrade. I'm just after cheap disks to pass this year out.
Honestly Stephen, I'm by no means picking fault with the disks in anyway shape or form. I'm purely stating there are cheaper options which in my opinion is the whole point of a group buy. :approve:
as a matter of interest Brett, what happened with the Ben R option you were going to take a look at? Joined the scrap heap of every other alternative brake disc options like all the others or still a going concern?
Must admit though, I think the group buy should have focused on a default set with no options to make things simpler.
Must admit though, I think the group buy should have focused on a default set with no options to make things simpler.
eastlmark":34tw3kqx said:
Well because this group buy kicked off we wasn't going to step on any toes so were just going to post piccs up once my car and Lucy's is on the road. The Pug disks are only a matter of a few mm from being a direct fit. My car and I believe LucyJ's will be the first to be fitted with them. Once the machined spacer shim is bolted to the car, a vast range of good quality, upgraded disks are availale att 2/3rds the price of the cheapest quote I've been given for a vee. Ben has also sorted the rears too but Im unable to fit these as my wheels are half inch wider with wider tyres.
renaultalpine
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True, and indeed the front bells can take standard size rotors or larger ones but at 330mm x 30mm they are plenty big enough already for the weight of the car, I do however have the brake man looking at replacing the OEM calipers for better/larger versions (6 pot front / 4 pot rear) that could be used as direct replacements with the OEM size discs to give even better braking.
That said other factors such as pad material, disc grooving and goodridge type hoses can all stop the car quicker and reduce fade without going bigger.
The beauty of these replacement discs I guess is that they are exact OEM size so direct replacement, no need for any spacers or other adjustments so suit those that just want an easy bolt on alternative, or those that want an 'upgrade' and may like a larger caliper as well in the future. They look great too.
We had an option for the Alpines with re-drilled disks from another model but they required spacers and/or spigot rings and just weren't popular or especially great value in the end. Most people tended to stick with OEM or go with two-piece.
As a matter of interest has anyone run a Vee with larger brakes on the rear? The Alpine have a similar configuration and weight distribution but run the same size discs front and rear.
renaultalpine
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I couldn't get any more discount so thought may as well let people have a choice of colour/finish.
Hi all,
A decision at the start of this GB was taken to go with what appeared to be (IMO) a very good deal kindly offered by Stephen. This offered uprated discs at a price comparable to Renault for fronts and immediately cheaper for rears. Taken together a single full set of uprated items can be had at a discount on Renault prices. Bearing in mind they are uprated items i still think this is a good deal. On top of that mix and match front and rears in any significant volume introduced further savings.
I for one paid much more than that for an uprated AP disc and bell setup (admittedly with uprated calipers). IMO similar setups look GREAT on a Vee and really add to the overall "look". Its the little things that look really good on a car and a big grooved disc and bell setup is def one of those! My brakes are frankly awesome in power too and fade free with the new discs and braided hoses for a nice firm pedal.
I understand if people are only interested in price, and go for the cheapest option you can find. Personally i like to go for the best components i can find for a reasonable price. This fits perfectly into that goal. Similar setups for front and rear to fit the Vee are hard to find. Hence i jumped at the oppertunity to offer this to members.
Lets see who is still in....
Peter255 rears (yellow bell) whenever we can get this off the ground.
Cheers
Peter ::
A decision at the start of this GB was taken to go with what appeared to be (IMO) a very good deal kindly offered by Stephen. This offered uprated discs at a price comparable to Renault for fronts and immediately cheaper for rears. Taken together a single full set of uprated items can be had at a discount on Renault prices. Bearing in mind they are uprated items i still think this is a good deal. On top of that mix and match front and rears in any significant volume introduced further savings.
I for one paid much more than that for an uprated AP disc and bell setup (admittedly with uprated calipers). IMO similar setups look GREAT on a Vee and really add to the overall "look". Its the little things that look really good on a car and a big grooved disc and bell setup is def one of those! My brakes are frankly awesome in power too and fade free with the new discs and braided hoses for a nice firm pedal.
I understand if people are only interested in price, and go for the cheapest option you can find. Personally i like to go for the best components i can find for a reasonable price. This fits perfectly into that goal. Similar setups for front and rear to fit the Vee are hard to find. Hence i jumped at the oppertunity to offer this to members.
Lets see who is still in....
Peter255 rears (yellow bell) whenever we can get this off the ground.
Cheers
Peter :
:At the end of the day Peter and I'm not taking a dig at you fella, a few of us a few weeks ago were after disks at a better, more reasonable price. Instead we've got disks at the same bloody price. Whats the point??
I wouldn't for one EVER cut corners when it comes to my brakes because beleive it or not, I drive the ass off my car come rain or shine. So because I mentioned "cheaper", it didn't mean disks made from toffee. Nobody mentioned fancy materials and better performance when showing interest in the group buy to begin with either, so I'm sure everybody would have been quite content spending sub £370 on disks the same quality as what the car left the factory with. Maybe I'm wrong but thats my opinion.
Steven, I really do think the disks are great and like you say are very adaptable and people with them will be chuffed as punch with them. Love the sound of a 6 and 4 pot conversion too. I'll be very interested in seeing them as that seems a very good upgrade :approve:
I wouldn't for one EVER cut corners when it comes to my brakes because beleive it or not, I drive the ass off my car come rain or shine. So because I mentioned "cheaper", it didn't mean disks made from toffee. Nobody mentioned fancy materials and better performance when showing interest in the group buy to begin with either, so I'm sure everybody would have been quite content spending sub £370 on disks the same quality as what the car left the factory with. Maybe I'm wrong but thats my opinion.
Steven, I really do think the disks are great and like you say are very adaptable and people with them will be chuffed as punch with them. Love the sound of a 6 and 4 pot conversion too. I'll be very interested in seeing them as that seems a very good upgrade :approve:
I'm with Brett on this and I appreciate his comments. :approve:
The RRP of OEM discs and pads takes the piss.
I mean: redstuff rear pads £63.52, OEM £346.45!
I voted for the GB so that a group of members could collude to help cushion this scam that continues on disc costs.
Hats off to Stephen for coming up with a better product for similar money. :bow:
I'm just not sure that was the purpose of the exercise... :s
The RRP of OEM discs and pads takes the piss.
I mean: redstuff rear pads £63.52, OEM £346.45!
I voted for the GB so that a group of members could collude to help cushion this scam that continues on disc costs.
Hats off to Stephen for coming up with a better product for similar money. :bow:
I'm just not sure that was the purpose of the exercise... :s
I think a basic misunderstanding is that Renault parts, particularly disks, can be bought cheaper than is often quoted on here ...
This may seems to be a revelation to some and make the group buy seem less good value.
The summary as I see it is ...
The group buy offer will be good for those wishing a better product at a small price premium, based on the lower than previously thought price that a few owners can get oem discs for. Credit to Stephen for sorting out the option where previous attempts have failed.
People wanting full-on upgrades might be best suited to other options like Tim has.
Those wanting the best value option, or to get by for now, have the option perhaps of the low oem price mentioned. Taking a punt on the group buy though is not much more costly than oem and I am sure there would be a better resale value in them, moreso than used oem discs.
Martin
This may seems to be a revelation to some and make the group buy seem less good value.
The summary as I see it is ...
The group buy offer will be good for those wishing a better product at a small price premium, based on the lower than previously thought price that a few owners can get oem discs for. Credit to Stephen for sorting out the option where previous attempts have failed.
People wanting full-on upgrades might be best suited to other options like Tim has.
Those wanting the best value option, or to get by for now, have the option perhaps of the low oem price mentioned. Taking a punt on the group buy though is not much more costly than oem and I am sure there would be a better resale value in them, moreso than used oem discs.
Martin
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