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COILS THERE MAYBE AN ANSWER

SimonLM

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I recently read an article regarding coil packs on Nissan Skylines, although they dont suffer as frequent failiers they have come up with an potential work-around to extend the life of the coil packs.

Now we all know the problems we have and I have experianced several failiers myself, most of which I think are due to damp getting into them and the fact that they sit at the hottest point, the top of the engine. What I disscovered was a remote coil pack system which mounts away from the engine and is built into an enclouser. They are charging £145 for this little gem including the 6 HT leads, cable and a universal mounting bracket.

Ive looked at adapting the existing packs and think it should be possible with not to much trouble, all we need is a company prepared to take on the task or maybe the Skyline one may work on the Vee.
 
ray":3nt4a1l9 said:
some people wont listen fit trophy coils problem solved, but if you dont like that idea float your own past the forum and maybe they will get a group buy together so that you can take advantage of any discounts :badgrin:

Trophy coils are £440 or so for a set aren't they ?

Maybe that's partly your answer guys ... We don't all have that money to chuck around and you can fit a few stock coils for that DIY - if you have a MK2 anyway.

Has anyone got any statistics on the life-span of Trophy coils for higher mileage road cars as opposed to Trophy cars - that is a genuine question BTW ...

Martin
 
I feel that the people who have Trophy coils fitted may have maore cash then others. Also as K1ano says time will tell on the expected long life of them.

The problem is a simple one Damp and Heat = Fail

Move them away from the heat and enclose them in a box with pleanty of silica gel removes both problems in one hit.
 
Mine was at about 20000 miles on Trophy coils without issues before hibernation.
Not many cars on here are absolutely standard, many have spent on exhausts or seats etc and chosen not to spend that on Trophy coils instead.
 
The other point is that Trophies are not a straight swap in and out e.g. from what I was told you need to do some soldering to put them in.

My dealer of which there is only 1 in Hong Kong refused to fit them because of this so I had no option but to fit standard coils.

Perhaps a wiki would be useful?
 
While I aggre that the Trophy coils are a quick easy fix there not the answer to the problem, I think moving them is.
 
ray":2mqwlgwy said:
trophy coils fit them if you can aford them if you cant sell the car :evil: and buy somthing cheaper because the v is costly to run mend modify etc

C'mon Ray that really could be read as quite a patronising comment, but maybe that is your sense of humour [smilie=icon_eek.gif]

I guess not everyone wants to chuck money at a problem like coils though ... Some people don't have any issues (myself), OK some people moan about it, some simply replace them with the Renault recommended replacement, some use Trophy coils and some just get on with it.

Anyway I sometimes get the impression you like winding people up so I send you a hug :hug: cause if you are a Northern bloke the last thing you want is another bloke cuddling you :hug: :badgrin:

Martin
 
LOUD MAN":l89kokdk said:
I recently read an article regarding coil packs on Nissan Skylines, although they dont suffer as frequent failiers they have come up with an potential work-around to extend the life of the coil packs.

Now we all know the problems we have and I have experianced several failiers myself, most of which I think are due to damp getting into them and the fact that they sit at the hottest point, the top of the engine. What I disscovered was a remote coil pack system which mounts away from the engine and is built into an enclouser. They are charging £145 for this little gem including the 6 HT leads, cable and a universal mounting bracket.

Ive looked at adapting the existing packs and think it should be possible with not to much trouble, all we need is a company prepared to take on the task or maybe the Skyline one may work on the Vee.

Interesting idea ... The Vee fuel injection system is sequential though so any remote coil pack would have to have 6 independant coil circuits - I assume though the Skyline is sequential injection ?

I have dismantled a failed Vee coil and, even though I haven't yet electically tested the components, the semi-conductor (diode) seems to be the only component which would fail - I really should check it out ...

Martin
 
ray":1z2kgxdr said:
you will be wanting to roll round on a bear skin rug next like olli reed .............go ahead get into coil development cant wait to see how this one fizzles out :approve:

PMSL ... Olli Reed was a legend ...

TBH I for one am quite happy with the Renault coils ;-) If I could justify the cost of Trophy ones I would seriously consider it but as far as I am concerned there is no cost benefit given I have had no issues ... I guess individuals have the same decisions to make around the available options ...

I am not sure Loud Man was talking about coil development and I just dismantled one out of curiosity and no I have never had a pet cat before you ask ...

Martin
 
ray":21nxjqgz said:
trophy coils fit them if you can aford them if you cant sell the car :evil: and buy somthing cheaper because the v is costly to run mend modify etc

I probably only use my Vee 2k miles per annum and what has struck me most is how "cheap" it has been to run. Probably the 2 year service schedule and cheap (but hopeless) dealer serivice prices. Insurance has been low too (probably helped by the tracker).

I agree with Ray that some people have taken on a Vee and seem uncomfortable with parts costs - which seems a bit naive, given it's a piece of automotive exotica!

Coil wise I haven't had a thing go wrong but carry the tools and spare. No doubt, I'll be so pisssssed off when one finally goes I'll switch the lot to trophy ones.
 
ray":8no8250i said:
some people wont listen fit trophy coils problem solved, but if you dont like that idea float your own past the forum and maybe they will get a group buy together so that you can take advantage of any discounts :badgrin:

Nought wrong with using group buys to save a little cash! [smilie=hide.gif]

I have tried to do this on all my major purchases on my car. :winky:

I have however still spent thousands! Lets not get into snobbery over who can afford to own and run the cars! [smilie=icon_eek.gif]

However as yet i have had two coils go in 3+ years and 20K miles. The replacement I used cost £30(ish). Thats better value IMO than £400+ for a permanent solution. If I need trophy coils due to a more aggressive engine setup (as may be on the cards later this year) then Scotty will be fitting them!

Peter
 
Peter255":27v3eecx said:
However as yet i have had two coils go in 3+ years and 20K miles. The replacement I used cost £30(ish). Thats better value IMO than £400+ for a permanent solution.

Peter

Now that's what I was thinking :approve: I've had 2 coils go, both replaced using the Peugeot ones, now IF the Peugeot ones don't fail in the future (only time will tell) then that's got to be a more cost effective solution [smilie=bunny_4.gif] [smilie=bunny_4.gif]

PS.Has anyone who's fitted the Peugeot replacement had one of those fail ??

Phill
 
ray":jbyawksr said:
[smilie=hide.gif] [smilie=hide.gif] [smilie=hide.gif] [smilie=hide.gif] every body seems to have there minds made up about coils so why does it always keep coming up dont run with the crowd get trophys and start moding dont foget to ask for permision first from the forum champion ? :badgrin: :badgrin:
you say the trophy coils are the way to go ? how long do trophy coils last ? has anyone had a set in their car and for how long ? you have to solder new connectors on to these trophy coils doesn`t that tell you that they were not made to go on a road going v6. my car is just 3 years old and all coils in tact, if or when a coil goes on my car i will replace with the original or an equivilent part from peugeot.
martin
 
They need different connectors simply because they're a different coil, not because they are race car specific.
The whole of the V6 ended up has a cost and corner cutting exercise so it's full of inferior kit and design.
Coils are a point in fact.

To be fair I've not heard of anyone have a coil replaced with a standard coil and then lost that coil again later.

MikeT saw both Trophy and standard coils bench tested when our cars were being worked on at Damax and the Trophy drew a far bigger spark from the plugs if I recall.

There's a good a reason they are in the race cars, the standard ones are crap!

I have 20000 miles on Trophy coils without problems...............as I mentioned earlier
 
I'd have thought the answer was just to grin and bear it, they're only £20 a pop, and you're not likely to go through more than 1 or 2 in owning the Vee - shit happens :)

Dan
 
TRW1":u9ehasfs said:
To be fair I've not heard of anyone have a coil replaced with a standard coil and then lost that coil again later.

I think you spoke to soon :( I had to replace a coil that I replaced last september again this weekend. On a good point I spoke to Renault and they said I have a years warranty so bring it back with the old reciept and they will refund me.
 
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