2001 Phase 1 #74 for sale for £8,995.......

[Lankan]

........on eBay: LINK

".... rare example of a stunning Renault Clio v6"

Doesn't say that it is a CAT D though............may be the seller doesn't know this OR are they trying their luck?

From V6 Register:
"Front end impact 2013. advertised April still damaged
On ebay sept 2014 - 5 previous owners, partially repaired, 50k miles. missing fog surrounds, d panel and arch liners. body panels poorly aligned."

Why would they not refurbish the steering wheel? :rollseyes:

 

[Tatelyle]

I asked him, it is Cat D they took it in part ex, he doesn't know anything about repair at all.

 

[Will]

I saw this earlier today on eBay and noticed the obvious issues, such as the missing fog light inserts, 'D' Panel etc. so thought I would look at the register to see it's history, I was expecting some front end damage in the past but I was surprised as to the extent of the damage, it's not just damaged panels like a lot Cat D's seem to be, there is quite a lot of bent metal work in the pictures as well, hopefully anyone looking to buy it will do their research properly and check the register themselves.

 

[Duncan]

This one really looks in a sorry state.

Not only was it heavily damaged, by just looking at photos on an screen you can see it was poorly repaired, and clearly done on the cheap, lots of the expensive parts have just been ignored! I dread to think how bad it is up close.

In addition, the car has had NOS added to it, so it may need additional mechanical attention, which if they have only done half a job on the repair, you just know they have scrimped on the maintenance.

If it were half the price, it would be worth buying and doing a proper repair job. Bit rich at 9k IMO.

 

[Alpineandy]

now at 6,595 ebay

 

[Lankan]

....says "PRICE REDUCED TO CLEAR", but is it still too high?

 

[rustedandrotten]

....says "PRICE REDUCED TO CLEAR", but is it still too high?

Cheap route into a driveable Vee, firstly check that repairs done are fit for purpose and the car is basically straight, (an Optolign check should throw up any obvious anomalies), bit of negotiation regards missing bits and scabby steering wheel down to £6k and would be to my mind a veritable starter bargain! :approve:

 

[Ali]

Agreed. Track Vee!

 

[RUSSO]

Ideal project base, anyone fancy building a Trophy?......only 30 miles away Hmmm

 

[MarkK]

Has a V6 up and running ever been sold much cheaper than this one? Looking at the accident photo it doesn't look like a lot of metal was bent, and what was bent is just standard Clio...inner wing, slam panel etc?

It does look tempting, but 2 in 2 weeks may be a stretch for my marriage!
Mark

 

[Kett]

Has a V6 up and running ever been sold much cheaper than this one? Looking at the accident photo it doesn't look like a lot of metal was bent, and what was bent is just standard Clio...inner wing, slam panel etc?

It does look tempting, but 2 in 2 weeks may be a stretch for my marriage!
Mark

Mark, I went down the 2 Vee route.
Not quite Dulan's extremity - as I plan to use both. One has the ID options and is a effectively of historical note. The other is to chase around the track!

IMO a straight ph1 that has had sensible upgrades eg KWv3, Ph2 subframe / box, recaros etc is far better option, as these invariably fetch unfettled /OEM version prices. The do come to market fairly regularly.

The problem with the stock Ph1 is that the interior is less polished than the Ph2 and they are dynamically inferior (albeit marginally). I promise you that you'd regret purchasing the Vee being discussed.

 

[MarkK]

The old Mk 1 does have an appeal for me. I like the idea of it being the original, faults and all, and for me, it does have an appealing face! I do like the TWR connection as well, and have long admired what Tom Walkinshaw did in his time in racing, and of course with Gloucester Rugby club...he owned it.

The interest in the Mk 1 may also have something to do with RU02MAD, a Mars Red Mk 1 that I saw and craved at a classic car auction last year, which really re-kindled my interest in the V6 Clio.

But I don't think I would go for this one, even though it is seemingly a very good price...it's just too soon after buying the Mk 2. I've also been down-sizing the fleet over the past couple of years, and buying another would definitely be seen as a retrograde step by some. For now!!

 

[Lankan]

I would tend to agree with Kett - if I were to look for a Phase 1, it would have to be a collector grade or close (i.e. one that you can keep and cherish), or something like what Kett has (i.e. one that has been fettled and ready to go, barring some minor tuning to suit one's driving style), and then take it on track. From that point of view this is the only one that comes close, but it does not seem to be dynamically any different to a standard Phase 1, but IMO for £10K it would be good to buy and fettle.

 

[rustedandrotten]

I would tend to agree with Kett - if I were to look for a Phase 1, it would have to be a collector grade or close (i.e. one that you can keep and cherish), or something like what Kett has (i.e. one that has been fettled and ready to go, barring some minor tuning to suit one's driving style), and then take it on track. From that point of view this is the only one that comes close, but it does not seem to be dynamically any different to a standard Phase 1, but IMO for £10K it would be good to buy and fettle.

Kermit is basically for cosmetics, looks stunning but you are at twice the price for nothing much other than the wheels and exhaust, this is a show car and not a serious track car, if you bought #74 you would have a budget of £7k to spend to make it look and go how you want, to me a no brainer 'cos I know how and where I would invest that sort of money, #74 might never recoup that sort of investment but you would probably still need to spend money on Kermit to get it as you want! This is a toy not an investment and should be treated as such :approve:

 

[Lankan]

I would tend to agree with Kett - if I were to look for a Phase 1, it would have to be a collector grade or close (i.e. one that you can keep and cherish), or something like what Kett has (i.e. one that has been fettled and ready to go, barring some minor tuning to suit one's driving style), and then take it on track. From that point of view this is the only one that comes close, but it does not seem to be dynamically any different to a standard Phase 1, but IMO for £10K it would be good to buy and fettle.

Kermit is basically for cosmetics, looks stunning but you are at twice the price for nothing much other than the wheels and exhaust, this is a show car and not a serious track car, if you bought #74 you would have a budget of £7k to spend to make it look and go how you want, to me a no brainer 'cos I know how and where I would invest that sort of money, #74 might never recoup that sort of investment but you would probably still need to spend money on Kermit to get it as you want! This is a toy not an investment and should be treated as such :approve:

Indeed Simon, but my point was if one bought Kermit for £10K, by spending around £4-5K one can make it a good track car, by replacing the suspension, adding TTV flywheel, Quaife ATB diff plus new brake discs, pads and braided hoses, without running the risk of buying a car that has been bent, and doing more or less the same thing, but ending up with a similar outlay.

 

[Duncan]

Imo, the ph1 experience is fantastic. Subjectively of course, I find It better looking than a phase 2.

Yes the interior intially dated quickly, but it is period and reminder of its humble beginings. The front end, tape player and them ph1 rear lights...it all has a strong appeal to me.

The legendary (or should i say mythical) handling is part of the car, and in my opinion the last thing you want is one that had this element tamed!!

Ive got to say you must drive a standard one on track before deciding it needs to have thousands of pounds spent on upgrades.
A straight car with decent tyres is bloody great!
Although, if your competing in it you would obviously want to fettle to make it competitive.

A standard, clean original ph1 is a very rewarding car to drive. Its basically the road going prototype of the phase 2, handbuilt by TWR :approve:

 

[Duncan]

If someone is looking for a track ready one:

LINK

Thats just shy of 8k GBP before bartering. No grey card though so potential hassle if you wanted it road registered.

 

[Kett]

Imo, the ph1 experience is fantastic. Subjectively of course, I find It better looking than a phase 2.

I couldn't agree more!

Given that some have been tinkered with (and the tinkerer has effectively lost their shirt in the process); these do make an intriguing prospect for some exertion!

 

[Brett]

Seriously, people's perception of what bent is should really change. That is CHEAP! Cat D's have zero or next to zero shell damage. You should see the state of 90% of all well used race cars. There'll be knocks and bangs in places that would send most of v6.net running for the hills. If your anal and want that car perfect, then yes, it'll cost money. If however your bought that car to actually bloody drive, took a little bit of weight out of it, put a set of track tyres on it and and generally tidied it up, it would be a fantastic track toy.
Fog lamp surrounds? Why have them? Only 2% of this community actually drive their cars in those conditions anyway. Solution? Add a carbon fibre blanking plate. No D panel? So what? Cut one out of 2mm ally and add a bit of strength to that oh so low front bumper. No KW's for the track? Sh1t on a stick, learn to drive one in standard form before upgrading to expensive stuff. The physics of weight transfer is no different whether you stick leaf springs on it or £10k's worth of Ohlins.

In my opinion, this community ought to start upping prices from Cat write offs, played with ones and all the way up to the Lunars/Acids and low mileage cars. A huge percentage of vee's aren't perfect and if we blow smoke up the asses of only those that are mint beyond stupidity the whole market for them will fall. It's all to easy to start a bad rep. "I wouldn't own a clio v6. Go into any corner over 25mph and your dead!" Soon it'll be, "I wouldn't own a Clio v6. I've heard the vast majority have bad history down to there terrible handling. You can't fix them like normal cars either. They fold up in two if you try to and if they don't, they handle worse than a Reliant Robin!"

 

[rustedandrotten]

Seriously, people's perception of what bent is should really change. That is CHEAP! Cat D's have zero or next to zero shell damage. You should see the state of 90% of all well used race cars. There'll be knocks and bangs in places that would send most of v6.net running for the hills. If your anal and want that car perfect, then yes, it'll cost money. If however your bought that car to actually bloody drive, took a little bit of weight out of it, put a set of track tyres on it and and generally tidied it up, it would be a fantastic track toy.
Fog lamp surrounds? Why have them? Only 2% of this community actually drive their cars in those conditions anyway. Solution? Add a carbon fibre blanking plate. No D panel? So what? Cut one out of 2mm ally and add a bit of strength to that oh so low front bumper. No KW's for the track? Sh1t on a stick, learn to drive one in standard form before upgrading to expensive stuff. The physics of weight transfer is no different whether you stick leaf springs on it or £10k's worth of Ohlins.

In my opinion, this community ought to start upping prices from Cat write offs, played with ones and all the way up to the Lunars/Acids and low mileage cars. A huge percentage of vee's aren't perfect and if we blow smoke up the asses of only those that are mint beyond stupidity the whole market for them will fall. It's all to easy to start a bad rep. "I wouldn't own a clio v6. Go into any corner over 25mph and your dead!" Soon it'll be, "I wouldn't own a Clio v6. I've heard the vast majority have bad history down to there terrible handling. You can't fix them like normal cars either. They fold up in two if you try to and if they don't, they handle worse than a Reliant Robin!"

Well said Brett :approve: :bow:

That is precisely what I was saying, why take a show car and trash it on track, as Brett intimated most Cat D cars are light panel damage that is constrained by the parts and labour, looking at the piccies of this one it would be pretty straight and easy enough to confirm on a jig, if it is used as a track car it will probably end up with a few more thumps and bumps over the coming years. I can hardly think of a serious track car that hasn't had major surgery to keep it alive!! For pities sake, this is an ideal basis, why wreck a perfectly good car :bow: :bow: