Trophy parts

[rory]

After looking since 10am this morning I havent managed to find a tuning company who sell trophy parts - can anyone shed some light?

I'm looking for the magnesium wheels - just for the price at the moment as I like the OZ superturismo's anyway but might get some 19's depending on how it affects the handling.
I'm also looking for the trophy spoiler.

Also looking for some advice on what the best way to strip weight would be... seats are going for race seats... not much else to get rig of though if I still want it to be bearable driving it on the normal (rubbish) roads!

Any help would be coolio

 

[taipan]

Motur Huger in France are quite good. May not have the Trohpy parts, but will be a gateway to potentially finding those that do. Other than that French, German and Italian ebay are usually quite good for random parts.

Mark Fish (UK) might be a useful contact as he ran a Trophy/helped run one for a few seasons, so may have some avenues to explore.

Weight-wise how far do you want to go? If you still want your goodies then I'd not bother personally - be more effective to eat a few less pies.

If not then things to do away with/swap for lighter items - sound system, doorcards, air conditioning, OEM seats, OEM suspension, all of the OEM exhaust system, covers, window glass, rear wiper and motor, front window/wing mirror motors, bonnet, tailgate, wheels, rear view mirror, xenons, carpets, sound deadening, dual mass flywheel, steering wheel, all airbags. Some of that will lose you literally grams but every little helps!

 

[RUSSO]

Hi Rory, the only place I've ever seen the Croms listed new and a few trophy parts is Migny-courses
Unfortunately they only had a few front wheels left a couple of years ago so no idea if they still have them in stock.

 

[johnler]

How much are the spoilers for the trophy

 

[rory]

Motur Huger in France are quite good. May not have the Trohpy parts, but will be a gateway to potentially finding those that do. Other than that French, German and Italian ebay are usually quite good for random parts.

Mark Fish (UK) might be a useful contact as he ran a Trophy/helped run one for a few seasons, so may have some avenues to explore.

Weight-wise how far do you want to go? If you still want your goodies then I'd not bother personally - be more effective to eat a few less pies.

If not then things to do away with/swap for lighter items - sound system, doorcards, air conditioning, OEM seats, OEM suspension, all of the OEM exhaust system, covers, window glass, rear wiper and motor, front window/wing mirror motors, bonnet, tailgate, wheels, rear view mirror, xenons, carpets, sound deadening, dual mass flywheel, steering wheel, all airbags. Some of that will lose you literally grams but every little helps!

I kind of figured that the standard things without making it an all out stripped car would be what you have mentioned... My aim is to keep it looking fairly stock but the doorcards, seats, suspension, exhaust and mani, covers, rear wiper, bonnet, tailgate steering wheel, dmf will be coming out for sure. I've sourced some carbon fibre door cards and bonnet but no luck on tailgate yet. I'll just have to lay off the weights for a bit to lose any more! Ha! Has anyone used reverie for their carbon intakes / jenvey for the throttle bodies? Was there much of an improvement over stock? I take it you have the cams etc too taipan looking at your profile pic?

Did not think of french ebay - school boy error there! I'll get on that!

Hi Rory, the only place I've ever seen the Croms listed new and a few trophy parts is Migny-courses
Unfortunately they only had a few front wheels left a couple of years ago so no idea if they still have them in stock.

Thanks mate - I'll give them a look today and see if there is anything. Still got to find the right car and can't look properly until the house is finished at the end of this month.

 

[taipan]

I kind of figured that the standard things without making it an all out stripped car would be what you have mentioned... My aim is to keep it looking fairly stock but the doorcards, seats, suspension, exhaust and mani, covers, rear wiper, bonnet, tailgate steering wheel, dmf will be coming out for sure. I've sourced some carbon fibre door cards and bonnet but no luck on tailgate yet. I'll just have to lay off the weights for a bit to lose any more! Ha! Has anyone used reverie for their carbon intakes / jenvey for the throttle bodies? Was there much of an improvement over stock? I take it you have the cams etc too taipan looking at your profile pic?

Streamline are good for carbon bits and bobs, I'm fairly sure they have the tailgate (not cheap mind!).

Can't say I know of a succesful/long-lived throttle body set up as yet, although Tim (TRW1) is in the very final stages of his proper build LINK and he's running them.

With throttle bodies you'll definintely lose the OEM look as a) there's a whacking great box where the space over the engine covers previously was and b) there's a scoop in the roof to feed air. Alternative is lexan side-windows and the air feeding in that way but it obviously compromises flow.

My profile pic is of a French Trophy! I'm a fraud! lol. This is mine LINK

Haven't cracked the engine yet as the next stage for me is throwing a bunch of the heavy stuff away and getting it to handle the way it can; brakes, coilies set-up properly, looking into drop links and ARBs, solid top mounts etc etc. Never ending this thing!

 

[rory]

TRW1's has some work gone into that monster! Rapid acceleration I predict.
Taipan have you seen reverie's air intake system? It sits on the top of the throttle bodies but is fed from the vent as normal - they reckon 16bhp increase... not sold on how high it is though. Like what you've done to YAY though - makes me think about a phase 1 again! with a few engine mods would it be faster than a 255? As I said I'm already looking at lightening it further and with suspension ARB's and strut / engine braces it should handle just as well as it if not better? I admit I didn't have the modding knowledge I have now when I owned my first one so never had it any other way than standard. Needs the 18's though and lowered but it's already 80kg lighter and has a stronger clutch... hmmm... and its cheaper so even more money to mod?!

 

[taipan]

The reverie intake looks to be the ITB airbox that Fred used – another one of the ITB projects that hasn’t seen the light of day yet! 16bhp for ITBs seems comfortably possible then again that’s all down to mapping, which very much remains a dark art with these cars. Things are slowly getting there though.

The ITB trumpets are quite large so the intake box has to be that big to create a large enough ceiling so as not to disrupt or restrict flow. The reverie intake feeds from the side, which I’m not convinced is the best option, then again I’m not particularly keen on the roof feed alternative either!

I’d expect that mine is now usefully quicker than a Ph2. Partly due to the modifications but mostly due to the fact that, as you say, it’s a fair chunk lighter. 18s and coilovers are an easy swap and there’s the kit available out there to make a ph1 handle better than a standard ph2 – really though both are fat pigs in that dept.

I prefer the ph1, some prefer the ph2, but if you intend to mod heavily personally I think the ph1 is the better platform – it’s cheaper, lighter, has a stronger clutch, no DMF and most of the Ph2 bits you may want to add simply swap in.

 

[Brett]

I just don't understand this whole "black art" thing. Never have, never will. These airboxes for a start. You don't see front engine cars with airboxes that big so why fit one to a vee? Take a look at the well developed Jenvey plenums. They are far from massive, designed to fit in small spaces, are side entry and flow more than enough. You'll need 2, obviously side by side, so they will only get restrictive north of 400hp. Size isn't everything, shape counts for a lot too. Chopped roofs, window inlets etc etc are great and definatly work. Needed? Not on a bloody road car. You could duct enough air from other places for an inlet supplying sub 400hp. Let's be realistic anyway, if your looking for 400hp you'll be running a baulkhead anyway!

 

[taipan]

Re FWD ITBs. I read through a (very long) 182 Trophy thread the other day and he was forever having trouble with the foam protector pad thingies that fit over the 182 ITBs getting sucked into the trumpets. I agree that I don't think the huge box is necessarily required but I think that if space wasn't at such a premium with the 182 conversions for instance then we'd see larger boxes on them as well.

There must be an optimum size but, due to the size of the ITB trumpets they'll never fit under the standard covers so then you have the option to run coverless (£free) or run modified covers (£verymuchnotfree). If you're taking the covers off then it doesn't really matter what size the box is as all it'll affect is the rear visibility, which is no different to say a Transit.

Having said all that I'm not particularly well versed on the whole ITB thing yet as it's still a fair bit down the line for me so happy to have input! :approve:

 

[rory]

The reverie intake looks to be the ITB airbox that Fred used – another one of the ITB projects that hasn’t seen the light of day yet! 16bhp for ITBs seems comfortably possible then again that’s all down to mapping, which very much remains a dark art with these cars. Things are slowly getting there though.

The ITB trumpets are quite large so the intake box has to be that big to create a large enough ceiling so as not to disrupt or restrict flow. The reverie intake feeds from the side, which I’m not convinced is the best option, then again I’m not particularly keen on the roof feed alternative either!

I’d expect that mine is now usefully quicker than a Ph2. Partly due to the modifications but mostly due to the fact that, as you say, it’s a fair chunk lighter. 18s and coilovers are an easy swap and there’s the kit available out there to make a ph1 handle better than a standard ph2 – really though both are fat pigs in that dept.

I prefer the ph1, some prefer the ph2, but if you intend to mod heavily personally I think the ph1 is the better platform – it’s cheaper, lighter, has a stronger clutch, no DMF and most of the Ph2 bits you may want to add simply swap in.

It is an ITB airbox - the size is the one thing that puts me off as it affects the location, however they do make them shallower if required. I'm being tempted back by a phase 1 here... only thing is the interior styling that puts me off. that and that fact I've already had one... decisions decisions, I've got plenty of time to look for the right one though.

I just don't understand this whole "black art" thing. Never have, never will. These airboxes for a start. You don't see front engine cars with airboxes that big so why fit one to a vee? Take a look at the well developed Jenvey plenums. They are far from massive, designed to fit in small spaces, are side entry and flow more than enough. You'll need 2, obviously side by side, so they will only get restrictive north of 400hp. Size isn't everything, shape counts for a lot too. Chopped roofs, window inlets etc etc are great and definatly work. Needed? Not on a bloody road car. You could duct enough air from other places for an inlet supplying sub 400hp. Let's be realistic anyway, if your looking for 400hp you'll be running a baulkhead anyway!

You are right that size isn't everything and a well designed intake is far more beneficial than simply a larger one - maximum airflow is the key so I can well believe that the jenvey plenums provide more than enough and if they can be hidden I will take a look at them. Not into chopping the roof or using window inlets either as want the car to look (fairly) standard from the outside. In terms of standard front engined cars I think its the same issue that there isn't enough space to accommodate larger intakes. On the R32, for example people fitted the larger intake from the new S3 and a panel filter when running the turbo kits rather than CAI's simply because the flow was improved without compromising much space due to pipework. I had a CAI fitted on mine and it took up far less room than the original box but was placed very low in the car behind the left bumper vent - cold air flow was massively increased and it saw an extra 10hp due to less heat soak - only downside is that any heavy rain and I had to stay in as if you went through a big puddle it would suck up the water and hydrolock the engine. Perhaps sitting on top of the engine isn't the best plan... especially in a car where heat is so difficult to get rid of! I'll rethink this...

 

[Brett]

Exactly. What I'm trying to get at is you don't see higher hp, Mid engine ferrari's, lambo's, porsche's etc etc with fecking great hindenburg airships strapped to the top of the motor so why does the "black art" of a clio need it.

 

[rory]

Exactly. What I'm trying to get at is you don't see higher hp, Mid engine ferrari's, lambo's, porsche's etc etc with fecking great hindenburg airships strapped to the top of the motor so why does the "black art" of a clio need it.

It doesn't need it - unless you were going all out attack on power and bhp (FI) then there is no need for it.

 

[Brett]

Correct but even f1 airintakes aren't the size of some I've seen.

 

[taipan]

Fitting ITbs into a just big enough airbox with a tiny side pod a fair way away, surely isn't going to cut it. Not using an airbox, whilst sounding the nuts, is going to mean the ITBs are sucking in hot air, which isn't going to do anything any favours.

Personally, I couldn't really care less how big the box is as I'm not trying to maitain the OEM look - and i'm not saying you guys are wrong - but there must be a reason why the airboxes are largeish.

 

[Brett]

Fitting ITbs into a just big enough airbox with a tiny side pod a fair way away, surely isn't going to cut it. Not using an airbox, whilst sounding the nuts, is going to mean the ITBs are sucking in hot air, which isn't going to do anything any favours.

Personally, I couldn't really care less how big the box is as I'm not trying to maitain the OEM look - and i'm not saying you guys are wrong - but there must be a reason why the airboxes are largeish.

Tiny sidepod?? Its got a 100mm inlet going through it. There's no way a n/a l7x will ever need bigger than that. Your missing the point Jon. A massive airbox will flow better than a small one with a shit design and shape. On the other hand, a well designed, smaller plenum will probably work better when you take into account inlet air speeds, inlet pulses etc etc. Like I say, look at porsches and the like. The advantages of fitting ITB aren't just flow to the trumpets either. Its how much more direct the channel is to the back of the valves. In my opinion, two tapered plenums piped to the original inlet would be much better and look a lot less stupid.
If I was to go down this route, I'd personaly just fit filters and duct cool air towards them. If its good for metro 6r4's and the like, then it'll be good enough for me.

 

[rory]

Fitting ITbs into a just big enough airbox with a tiny side pod a fair way away, surely isn't going to cut it. Not using an airbox, whilst sounding the nuts, is going to mean the ITBs are sucking in hot air, which isn't going to do anything any favours.

Personally, I couldn't really care less how big the box is as I'm not trying to maintain the OEM look - and i'm not saying you guys are wrong - but there must be a reason why the airboxes are largeish.

It's going to come down to personal preference - it's viable either way - if you go larger you'll get better airflow. If you go smaller but better designed you'll get better airflow. Win win. No one is wrong here, whatever works for you is best. In the past I always went with tried and tested performance parts which people had proven gains off - if you got the same gains from both then I'd go for the one which I thought looked better irrespective of price but other people would have gone for the cheaper option and the car would be equally as tuned in that area.

Despite porsche's and the like having a "fairly" standard sized air box they are specifically placed for maximum airflow to reach them / ducted to them. Less performance cars aren't built for that sort of power so they need bigger or more direct means of getting (cold) air into the engine. School boy errors I've seen in the past are massive cone filters without ducting - drawing in all the hot air from the engine bay. If you do it right either way you are going to get gains end of.

Stick to what you want to do guys - it's not a competition as to who is right or wrong.

 

[Duncan]

Aside from Migny Courses, there are also these: LINK - scroll down a little

Maybe worth a call to John Price on the off chance he has any or knows whereabouts LINK

Keep your eyes peeled on Leboncoin for trophy parts: LINK or ebay.fr !!

Good luck with the hunt.

 

[taipan]

Am I reading that right? A Clio Trophy Brembo disc with bell etc for EUR130??

 

[TRW1]

Re. airbox

there's certainly no need for every car to have an airbox the size that mine is. For starters half of it, as mentioned is down to the size of the trumpets we're running, which are pretty tall. You could equally run very short trumpets, as I think Fred was intending originally. Each would have a different effect on the engine's performance in terms of power and torque. As we're pulling air through the roof, the box is designed to reach up towards that but it's possible we could have built it lower and then run longer feed pipes down. I'm sure there's an optimum size and volume for each application as flow and even pressure all have their own effect. Mine is not specifically designed as the absolute optimum, more just Scott being creative with the space available and lack of limitations.