The diesel

[Chris H]

Righty what exactly is the official top speed and 0 - 60 on these?

To the NA diesel drivers on here, how good/bad is your 19 diesel?

I have driven plenty on NA 1.9 rens but only 1 in a 19 and we own it.

Now I have driven numerous extra's and kangoo's with the NA 1.9. They never set the road on fire but they actually kept up with traffic not to badly, never got one above 90 mph right enough but they weren't my vans :lol:

The 19, OMG its awful. The 1.4's even the C-type leaves it in the dust, managed 90 out of it down a hill but wondering if this is normal for them. The 16 inch wheels won't help as they weigh about as much as a twingo per corner bit if they are all like this how did they sell any?

 

[lewis77]

Firstly your running 16" wheels ? I've got 13"

The brochures all say 101-103mph for the NA, I've had 101 out of mine downhill. But it will sit at 96 quite happily on the flat - but with a lot of smoke out of the back
0-60 I've no idea, I once vaguely calculated mine at about 17 secs.

I have the same torque as a 1.1 saxo, and that will still beat me in a drag. As does the 1.5d NA Pug 106

 

[Chris H]

torque figure in the haynes and other sources says 87ftlb which is more than all the 1.4's which are at best (energy 79ftlb). Also that makes sense for a long stroke diesel lump.

The 1.4's I have driven loads (PH1) and all will go over 120 on the clocks even with 17's on. 16's are on as the 13's with it were bald and the 13's out the back I had were crap as well so cut the tyres off them all and weighed in the rims :lol:

I can see me having to do some mods to this.

Whats your mpg like? to a tenner at roughly 101p a litre we are getting 110 - 150 miles depending on where we're driving

 

[minichapperz]

my single point 1.4 was screaming at 115 but had a liitle more lol

 

[lewis77]

Haha you want some figures on my diesel? I'm a little sad and could tell you anything, I keep alot of stats for it :roll:

On an average £50 fill up from empty (just under 50 litres), it will do about 550 (average) miles to the tank, but thats with me motorway driving a lot and at a steady 56-60mph. (56mph is where its most economical supposedly getting 61.4mpg according to the brochure - dropping to 45mpg at 75mph)

 

[minichapperz]

when i brim mine £50 380 miles bit of raggage tho

 

[lewis77]

Chris let me know what mods you plan on doing, wouldn't mind a bit more power myself

 

[Chris H]

can't fill the diesel right up as the tank leaks like most these days.

550 miles to a full tank isn't that great, got that out of the 16V averaging 80 mph back and forth to edinburgh everyday a while back.

Best I got out of the 1.4 was 700 miles to a tank.

How easy does your diesel start Lewis? Ours starts incredibly easy even if its not been run for a few weeks. I think the timing may be out. The quicker ones I have driven took a bit of cranking to get going. The 19 starts like a DI truck engine

 

[lewis77]

Starts ok when run everyday, it is very lumpy for the first few minutes giving out quite a few shakes though the car, until it warms up. Does give off blueish smoke when first started for a few seconds everytime though.
If I don't run it for a while it does take about 20-30 secs of constant cranking to go. But I do get it going first time everytime
Is this just because it's old? Or do they all do this? Can it be remedied?

 

[Chris H]

Ours gives off no smoke at all. Even when you hit the governor you can't see any smoke from it, well you could the first time on the way to the MOT but it had sat for 4 months. But none since then.

Cranking that long should be needed, ours is as fast as you can let the key go its running. Probably about 180 degrees top of crank rotation off the starter and its running. Other ones I worked on were maybe 3/4 seconds of cranking tops. If yours takes that long I'd be looking at the fuel draining back, perished plunger on the filter housing is common on ALL diesels.

The blue smoke is most likely perished valve stem oil seals, old age most likely. Might also be leaky injectors but the smoke will be darker, grey/black from those, might appear blue in some lights though.

Ours is smooth and above 40 mph its quiet unless your flooring it then you can hear the distant knock. Just gutless.

I reckon I need to adjust the timing, then after that I think bigger injectors and upping the fueling. After all a 1.9 diesel has way more potential than its giving. I mean I can get NA 2.5 transits to go over a ton standard and more when bigger injectors and upped fueling.

 

[lewis77]

Your making me excited now, it can go faster?! never thought that was possible

I always thought it was leaking oil into the cylinders through the valves. I just need to find a set with the seals. This could be why it smokes a lot at 4k.
I'm going to get the fuel system an overhaul once I can have it off the road, it's the daily drive atm.
The bigger injectors I assume would be off the 21's or early Laguna's then?

It's quite noisy as diesels go but it revs up and down very smoothly and quickly. Not lumpy at all once it's warm.
65bhp from a 1.9 is a little low. I recently put a foam air filter in the airbox and it does pull a little harder now, amazing what difference little changes make.

 

[Chris H]

of course it can go faster, theres plenty NA 1.5/1.7 diesels pumping out over 200ftlb's etc. Ok some don't last long but they put it out.

Leaking valve stem oil seals won't cause it to smoke when its running, theres no vacuum on a diesel to cause that. So valve stem leaks will only be there after its sat and oils leaked down the valves.

You checked the breathers out? Smoke at 4k only I would say fueling tbh.

How quickly does yours get warmed up? Ours is a lot faster than the 16V or the other petrols, I remember this being the same in my grans old 11 Broadway and it melted itself :lol:

not sure where I'd go for injectors, as its the lucas pump they run the lower opening pressure so no point in getting massive high pressure ones as they won't open long enough, need something that will open at lower pressure and flow enough.

I'll adjust the pump a bit first and see how itr goes first though.

 

[lewis77]

Yeah more torque would be better, not too bothered about the bhp. If it ran more efficiently that increases torque doesn't it?
Of, course forgot about the lack of a vacuum. I'll get my injectors cleaned and tested and all the lines checked. It does need a new filter housing as the bleed screw snapped last time I changed the filter.
It warms up to normal operating temp after about 10-20 miles, thats A roads though, through town it will take a good 10mins for the heater to be warm.
Let me know about the pump, if there's anything that can be tweaked it probably worth doing.

 

[Chris H]

if it runs more efficiently both bhp and torque go up.

The bottom bleed screw the plastic one? I snapped ours today, I have the standard one bypassed as the diaphragm burst which they all do, but I want it to be used again as its neater and the filters a lot bigger. I have pics and was thinking of doing an article on the filter housings. Mine also have most of the fuel tanks insides in it

I was going to up the fueling but the plastic cap isn't the usual screw type one, looks like a pop out job, but I'm not going to find out on the daily runner for the mrs! So i'll get down to the scrappies after college through the week and pop a few out so I have spares.

The main fuel screw is inside the pump on the Lucas/CAV pumps. Upping the fueling will hopefully give it a lot more poke. I need to get the timing rod for the pump as well, all pumps are different, mine is for 7.25mm according to the arm, so want to set it there for sure at some point.

You ran any additives through it? The forte diesel treatment is good, we stocked loads at the garage, poured it into new filters to prime them etc, always got the emmision's a lot better and helped a load of knackered ivecos start easier :lol:

Got 85 on the flat again earlier, a 1.2 corsa then flew past :lol:

 

[minichapperz]

yeah we stock forte your not apart of the good garage scheme btw?

 

[Chris H]

yeah it is, you the same? load of shite, still bodging bastards! :lol:

Not there now, just go to mot my cars and use the press these days back to being a student.

 

[minichapperz]

yeah lol lash to the high heaven and still be a good garage:lol:

 

[lewis77]

An article on anything diesel would be appreciated, especially the fuel system.
The bleed screws are 96p from Renault already been and checked. Got a bolt and 2 washers in there for now

I might alter the max speed screw, the one that stops the accelerator on ful throttle. It's passed it's warranty anyway! You got many 19 diesels down your local scrappy then?

I've only run the redex stuff through, not noticed any difference at all, except it gives me piece of mind knowing it's cleaner. I'll try the forte stuff though.

No idea what it's running at now, just found out my calipers have been sticking out and not returning when released (I think caused by water ingress through worn seals). The wheels are stiff to turn when its jacked. I know the pads should be in contact slightly but I replaced the OS caliper yesterday and now it rotates freely. Have ordered new disks and the other caliper for replacing some time this week.

 

[Chris H]

Altering the max speed screw can help towards the limit as the governor starts to work a few hundred rpm before the actual hard cut comes in. Thing is revving it is pointless as the powers all gone by the time your right up there.

Nope no 19 diesels in abny scrappy up here, theres no cars over 10 years old in scrappies up here, everyone has an 08 plate pretty much. Anythign older than a v plate is generally just sent to the crusher. I'll need to look out for kangoos to get bits for it. There was a megane TD in the scrappy but the clown wanted 150 for the engine, I think not.

 

[Chris H]

see this pump, same as ours, see the black plastic 1 way screw thing? In behind there is the fueling screw, its an allen headed job

RENUALT CLIO MK1-1.9 DIESEL INJECTION PUMP on eBay (end time 01-Sep-09 21:29:24 BST)

On my pump its a white cap not the black plastic one. The black one just unscrews my white one appears to be a pop in job.