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Phase 2 £9,750

Dear Mr. Murr,



I am writing with reference to your recent enquiry regarding a Renault Clio that wore AV53 ZCZ.



I can confirm that we investigated this claim previously and had it confirmed by the insurance company that this was a Category B total loss. This means the vehicle could be used for parts but the body shell should be crushed.



If you require any further information you would need to go back through the chain of ownership to whoever had the vehicle at the time to see if they have any details.



I hope this is of assistance.


Kind regards,



Lauren
2009




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looks in good nick though-
 
i guess this is the vee that was in my local ren dealers sevenoaks. think it was bought for 2k to be repaired my mate who was a painter there told me about it and it was a cat b needed new roof and pillars straightening
 
More info Here from post #10 onwards (the first 9 posts are discussing a different car!)

It might be a cat-c & not actually a b hence being on the road. Blooming worth checking out though!!

Believe its car number #0086.
 
Cat b can be put back on the road but insurance would be very hard to get, but a cat B can go back on the road
 
It actually looks very good in the photos (panel gaps appear to be straight).... but then a pretty face isnt everything. I would want to see underneath and check under the bonet with a fine tooth combe to see what is and isnt alright about it. All the same, it could be a nice buy for someone who intends on keeping it!
 
I've seen all the pic's of the damage and I would say cat d was more than enough, it shouldn't have ever been a cat B , he sent me all the pics through of it
 
johnler":3ku4num2 said:
Cat b can be put back on the road but insurance would be very hard to get, but a cat B can go back on the road
Oops, my mistake, but not being able to (readily) insure it is not a good thing for a car like the Vee. However, if it really isn't a Cat B then this seems like a good buy, especially if the rebuild is that good. I hope somebody can save it, and prevent it from being exported out of the UK..........

Seeing the photos will really help......
 
Ill put the pic's tomorrow as a BarQ I have to go to, this guy has had no problems insuring it and has interest from France from buyers over there as it will not make any difference been a cat b over there, it will lose that statuse over there and if ever brought back to this country after a year or so and been classed as imported and given a French plates and imported back and then applied to go on uk plates the car will be given new reg and no history on the hpi will be stored, it's a bit wrong but it's the only poss way of getting it hpi clear in this country, and it is a cat B so everyone no's the only thing if it did every come back to this country after imported the register on this site would still bring up its history but its build no: ( on the other hand was there v's made without build no's
 
Dear all,

Just thought I'd put a posting on seeing as how it's my car that you've seen on Pistonheads and it appears to have sparked some debate. Most of what is on here is correct. After owning the car for 4 years, regrettably it caught me out and was declared a Cat B total loss, the classification that it still holds to this day. As has been suggested by those that have seen the pictures, a harsh verdict but Cat B nonetheless. With an offer to buy it back from the insurance company for a mere 4% of the payout (about £600 at the time) it was too good an opportunity to pass up and I then sold it on the strict proviso that it would be rebuilt for track use only or stripped for spares. I, like most people that have enquired about the car, had no idea that a Cat B could be returned to the road. However, the lads from Renault rebuilt it, had a Vehicle Identity Check carried out, MoT'ed it, reapplied for the logbook and then taxed and insured it. It found a new home with Azrael in Dorset and then went to Razle in South Wales. I happened to see it come up for sale on Pistonheads around September 2009 and decided I'd like to have it back and I've owned it ever since.

You have to look at the car in the context of the quality of the rebuild versus the asking price. Admittedly, it will always have a black mark against it but I thought it was well worth buying back for a little over half the insurance payout and I wouldn't have done so had I not been 100% happy with the quality of workmanship. Yes, it required a few minor finishing touches here and there but I was happy to do these as and when over the course of my second period of ownership. Since having it back, I've never had any problems insuring, taxing or MoT'ing it; the car drives straight and true and gets as many admiring glances now as it did first time around.

To end the story though... the car (No.86 as previously suggested) was repatriated yesterday when a chap came all the way over from France to buy it. He paid the full asking price, took the car straight back home and, once fitted with a sequential box and 'cage, will race it competitively. A shame it hasn't stayed with us but, on reflection, due to the way in which damage-repaired cars are perceived (rightly or wrongly) it's probably a good thing that it's been given the opportunity of a fresh start overseas.

So, one less Vee on our roads sadly but one that I was proud to own and pleased I made the effort to save.
 
Thanks for taking the time to reply and give us the full story Stuart. Very interesting read.
Certainly looked like it was repaired well in the photos and top marks for saving it from being stripped and broken. Glad to hear the sale went well.
 
johnler":kajiljxx said:
...France from buyers over there as it will not make any difference been a cat b over there, it will lose that statuse over there and if ever brought back to this country after a year or so and been classed as imported and given a French plates and imported back and then applied to go on uk plates the car will be given new reg and no history on the hpi will be stored,

Im not entirely sure how the import process works but a Ducati I used to own which was exported back in 2006, was just recently re-imported back into the UK and it was given its original UK number plate back. So either DVLA check the chassis numbers when registering & re-issue it the same plate - or its up to the owner to disclose what the original number plate was if they know it.

However I certainly did hear a story a long time ago about a dodgy motorcycle shop who used to export written off bikes abroad - then re-import them under new identities, repair them and sell them as straight bikes, so it certainly used to be possible at one point in time.
 
Good to hear the actual story behind the car, and glad the sale went well but shame it had to go overseas. However, one less Phase 2 in the UK, which helps keep their prices up. :)
 
Hi Stewart I'm glad you managed to put your reply up for others to read, and some might want to see the pics at some stage of the repairs if you get chance I didn't want to put them up until you had posted. I'm sure on the import thing on vehicles has a time before the dvla destroy the vehicle history and then re use the reg number again ( ie on kit cars private reg or imported vehicle imported into our country and match age to plates) but there is or used to be a year or so before this happened.
 
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