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Phase 1 or Phase 2 Rear Subframe
- Thread starter ed_harland
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ed_harland
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Brilliant, thanks :salut:
As an addition to this thread.... Right at the top it shows the 1st picture showing the subframe from the rear, the extention piece that extends out from the bottom right corner & has the little 45 degree bracing web above it was actually included in later subframes for the proposed fitment of a rear anti roll bar which as far as i know TWR / Renault decided not to fit as it hurt the traction a lot & made the car very nervous in the wet during development testing ! It was fine in the dry but they realised Mr or Mrs average would end up in ditch in the wet. They decided to stick with the "no anti roll bar design" to give the cars maximum traction & safety in the wet. On the flip side though this is one of the main reasons why the Clio V6 is tricky to drive in high speed change of direction & off throttle situations, it has no "roll control" on the rear to keep the mass of the rear of the car under control because of the very heavy V6 engine & exhaust system etc etc. This is why the Clio V6 demands a lot of "on throttle" driving because it likes to have it's rear sitting down under power to keep weight onto the rear wheels, reducing the amount of chassis roll with the springs compressed & suspension travel reduced. This is why lifting off the throttle a lot or completely on entry & mid corner in a Clio V6 is a bad idea, the rear rises, takes weight off the rear wheels & allows the rear to roll around which causes instability. So try to brake in a straight line approaching a corner & get back on the power just before corner entry to sit the rear down & drive through the whole corner on some degree of half throttle & then apply the power progressively on mid corner to exit. If the car had been designed with a light weight engine (tuned 4 cyl 2.0 for example) & exhaust the car would handle much better. fundamentally it is the fact that it has the glorious (but very heavy) V6 in the back that gives the Clio V6 it's "challenging" handling. It's all about controlling & managing the movement of mass.
