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Is the PH2 worth double a PH1?
- Thread starter Dan-v6
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Ive had both, wouldnt have another ph1
im now on my second mk2 and would have another..
Marginally faster, better handling, better looking, better interior, better colour choices, better gearbox ratios, nicer wheels, better fitted panels.... list goes on
still love the mk1 though! :approve:
im now on my second mk2 and would have another..
Marginally faster, better handling, better looking, better interior, better colour choices, better gearbox ratios, nicer wheels, better fitted panels.... list goes on
still love the mk1 though! :approve:
I'll stick by my guns and say that the ph1 will be worth more than the Ph2 when we're 20+ years down the line. Buy a good ph1 now while they're cheap is all I can say!
Worth mentioning that an unmolested Illiad Ph1 with tiny mileage would blow most, if not all, ph2's out of the water price-wise. So it's as much down to the individual car in question as ph1 vs ph2 imo.
Worth mentioning that an unmolested Illiad Ph1 with tiny mileage would blow most, if not all, ph2's out of the water price-wise. So it's as much down to the individual car in question as ph1 vs ph2 imo.
I think the price gap totally depends on what your comparing. Traditionally the gap between equivalent condition phase 1 and phase 2 prices is about 5k, which i think is about right.
average phase 1 = 8k, average phase 2= 13k.
They are only truley double price if your comparing a rare colour low mileage mint phase 2 with a dog of a phase one. In which case, if you can easily afford the much nicer car, then its probably worth spending twice as much.
I would still say for a 10k budget id rather have a mega mint phase one than a dog of phase two.
Trouble is, finding a mega nice phase one is alot harder than finding a mega nice phase two as there are far less mint phase ones and its rare you see them up for sale.
Also with the phase 2 above it in the pecking order (for now at least) the phase 1 prices have a 'limit', where as ph2 dont.
On the continent, the two versions rub shoulders with each other alot closer on prices.
average phase 1 = 8k, average phase 2= 13k.
They are only truley double price if your comparing a rare colour low mileage mint phase 2 with a dog of a phase one. In which case, if you can easily afford the much nicer car, then its probably worth spending twice as much.
I would still say for a 10k budget id rather have a mega mint phase one than a dog of phase two.
Trouble is, finding a mega nice phase one is alot harder than finding a mega nice phase two as there are far less mint phase ones and its rare you see them up for sale.
Also with the phase 2 above it in the pecking order (for now at least) the phase 1 prices have a 'limit', where as ph2 dont.
On the continent, the two versions rub shoulders with each other alot closer on prices.
No. Clearly ph1's are utter shite. The interiors are pure gash, they fall apart, they kill people when pulling anything more than 0.002g around a corners, they drive like a tdi's. Sit in a ph2 and you immediatly feel like your behind the wheel of a top spec supercar. Let's face it, if you haven't got climate control, auto xenon headlights and auto wipers in a drivers car then you might aswell drive an Austin 7.
In all honesty, owning a ph1 vee and a ph2 172 I wouldn't pay 6k on average more for a ph2 because of the different dash and 1 inch bigger wheels. Neither car is very plush inside especially when placed next to normal rep mobiles. Both share the same god awfull seats, the same door cards and both have utter crap steering wheels. They should be looked upon as drivers cars and who the hell worries about the fact the interior isn't at a constant perfect 19*c or not.
And yes, I am defending the ph1 as I don't believe its anywhere near half the car.
In all honesty, owning a ph1 vee and a ph2 172 I wouldn't pay 6k on average more for a ph2 because of the different dash and 1 inch bigger wheels. Neither car is very plush inside especially when placed next to normal rep mobiles. Both share the same god awfull seats, the same door cards and both have utter crap steering wheels. They should be looked upon as drivers cars and who the hell worries about the fact the interior isn't at a constant perfect 19*c or not.
And yes, I am defending the ph1 as I don't believe its anywhere near half the car.
But are Phase 2s actually twice as much?
There have been a few Phase 2s for sale around the £10-12k which are probably more comparable to most Phase 1s.
I don't think you can compare a Phase 1 with the £20k ultra low mileage Phase 2s in id colours unless it was one of the rarer colours.
There have been a few Phase 2s for sale around the £10-12k which are probably more comparable to most Phase 1s.
I don't think you can compare a Phase 1 with the £20k ultra low mileage Phase 2s in id colours unless it was one of the rarer colours.
Ph2 owners – Y
Ph1 owners - N
When I joined I was set on a Ph2 but reading comments on here about them I started looking at the Ph1 as being the original V6 and it being a bargain, I see the Ph2 as being the facelift model, very similar with only some differences. I would still love a Ph2 as well as the Ph1 but could see myself using the Ph1 as the driver’s car and the Ph2 as the town/long cruiser with CC, Climate etc. I have driven a few Ph2's only for a short period and agree the interior is nicer in terms of being more modern and the gearbox is probably better in terms of how short the change is. However the noise is the same
I have to disagree with the body panels being better fitted however?
Ph1 172's for a good one are starting to shoot up in value but you can pick up an Mk2 172 on the cheap. I agree with the above in many years to come the Ph1 will probably be worth more, it’s the original V6 and there less of them. All in my opinion of course.
I don’t think its worth double but at the moment fair enough there not that old .Either or I have always said these cars are cheap, even when buying new they should have been seen as an investment and 1 or 2 both are as much fun and a joy to own due to what it is not just how it looks.
Ph1 owners - N
When I joined I was set on a Ph2 but reading comments on here about them I started looking at the Ph1 as being the original V6 and it being a bargain, I see the Ph2 as being the facelift model, very similar with only some differences. I would still love a Ph2 as well as the Ph1 but could see myself using the Ph1 as the driver’s car and the Ph2 as the town/long cruiser with CC, Climate etc. I have driven a few Ph2's only for a short period and agree the interior is nicer in terms of being more modern and the gearbox is probably better in terms of how short the change is. However the noise is the same
I have to disagree with the body panels being better fitted however?Ph1 172's for a good one are starting to shoot up in value but you can pick up an Mk2 172 on the cheap. I agree with the above in many years to come the Ph1 will probably be worth more, it’s the original V6 and there less of them. All in my opinion of course.
I don’t think its worth double but at the moment fair enough there not that old .Either or I have always said these cars are cheap, even when buying new they should have been seen as an investment and 1 or 2 both are as much fun and a joy to own due to what it is not just how it looks.
When I sold my phase 1 I spent long and hard thinking this very same thing. There may even be posts on here about it. In my mind I was summing up should I buy a other clio v6 that is practically the 'same car'.... Was looking at atoms, tvrs and exiles instead.
However, once I drove hn05 and saw it in the metal I was hooked again. It was worth double to me (which is just about what happened actually) and I don't regret it for one minute. If I ever so a quick peep round the garage door soon changes all of that!!!
In the same way Alien is a good film, Aliens is the one I enjoy the most :approve:
However, once I drove hn05 and saw it in the metal I was hooked again. It was worth double to me (which is just about what happened actually) and I don't regret it for one minute. If I ever so a quick peep round the garage door soon changes all of that!!!
In the same way Alien is a good film, Aliens is the one I enjoy the most :approve:
taipan":2249gdf3 said:
It's only natural to defend your own purchasing decision.
My take is that, yes the Ph2 is worth more. It's newer, better spec. etc however I see no evidence to suggest that equivalent cars have sold for twice the money but then I guess that depends on how you define equivalent.
I think the Ph2 values are down to the fact that it's the newer car, that's about all the price comparisons that can be made as far as ph1 vs ph2 goes. Prices will differ on a car-by-car basis and I think it's too simplistic to think only in terms of ph1/ph2 as a whole.
Let's take our Vee tinted spectacles off for a monent and be honest; both cars are pretty horrendous in many key areas. The ph2 could be considered marginally better than the ph1 in certain departments in the same way that it's marginally better to have gonorrhea as opposed to AIDS.
Let's take our Vee tinted spectacles off for a monent and be honest; both cars are pretty horrendous in many key areas. The ph2 could be considered marginally better than the ph1 in certain departments in the same way that it's marginally better to have gonorrhea as opposed to AIDS.
ClioSpyder
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"Is the PH2 worth double a PH1"................haven't a bloody clue.
Hope that information helps clear this one up a little ?
I'll just get my coat :s
Hope that information helps clear this one up a little ?
I'll just get my coat :s
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