Improving the Handling

[Anonymous]

Hi

I have a question and have done a search, but I'm looking for if specific answer, if thats cool.

How can you make a Vee more stable, if you uprate the sus would this help

Cheers

 

[TRW1]

No.

Handling will be improved but it's not a Get out of Jail Free card.

It's still a short wheelbased, top heavy, handful with poor lock..........

 

[Anonymous]

hmmmm

 

[TRW1]

If you have a Mk1 like mine then you can change the rear subframe and rear suspension trailing arms to the Mk2 version. I've done this and KWs and ARBs and find the handling greatly improved but it can still bite........
Best investment is probably some tuition to learn about it's limits and how to drive it.

 

[Anonymous]

Cheers

 

[TRW1]

Yes, for sure.

 

[Anonymous]

Thanks,

 

[k1ano]

I have found with the Vee you can induce oversteer deliberately but for short periods and it is hard to keep a slide on due to steering lock. When oversteering the car is very sensitive to any steering or throttle input.

The car tends to oversteer on it's own accord when pushing it in the wet, so much so that I don't induce it at all unless it's very dry and you can anticipate the level of grip.

Martin

 

[Anonymous]

Cheers

yeah I plan to drive like Miss Daisy in the wet

 

[Anonymous]

@Captint,

I've writtien something down on improving the basic handling of the RS2.

You can improve the steeringlock angle quite a bit, by taking of 4.5mm of the racklimiters.
Mount the lowerfront rubberjoints of the old megane cup. They are stiffer and the same diams.

To have a bit more stable oversteer, see if you can get your hands on a 14mm torsionbar for the rear.

Those measurements helped me quite a bit, the bandwith between understeer and oversteer is less sloppy, and there for more to my liking. With the increased steering angle I got more control when it steps out.

I'm still working on the suspension, (specially the top mounts)waiting for some answers about rear shock rod diameters, since they are weak on the standard, and the uppermount construction of the K&W, which notabely influences the snappy kind of overstear.

 

[Anonymous]

Cheers,

 

[Anonymous]

I think I will have to investigate

 

[v6Max]

captint

I've done 2 Don Palmer days in my Mk1 Clio v6 - he can drift them...You'll have fun, learn loads and wear your tyres!

Harry - should have that info for you mid-week.

Max

 

[Anonymous]

Spend as much money as you can on tuition. Any top wheel man will drift a V6 - MK1 or 2 - all day long. Yes it's harder than say an M3 but if you can drive it's not a problem. No room for errors though. Even after you've thrown umpteen susp. upgrades at it it'll still be a short wide top heavy beast so you might as well learn to do it properly from the get go!

 

[ColinG]

i thought a LSD was needed to go sideways properly fast??

isnt there a diff available from france? it was huuugely expensive though, i always remember someone at renault telling a magazine..(think it was evo) that the v6 should have had one!

 

[Anonymous]

YES !!

and now, it's available
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http://www.v6clio.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=127&start=0

 

[ColinG]

id love one...so by fitting that..the vee could be made to drift..so to speak..??

 

[Anonymous]

Well,

I don't think so. An LSD does help to fight oversteering when it starts to occur.

I have no idea about the behaviour when you are really in the drift ! :s

To be honest , I like to go fast in the corner with "good big g's".

I can understand drift is good for fun and show, but it's defintly not fast

 

[ColinG]

all i remember reading once is that those D1 drift cars are all fitted with LSDs which enable them to hold a slide forever lol

is the vee's rear set-up meaning both wheels are always spinning at the same speed? or am i wrong..

 

[Anonymous]

The one I am talking about is of disk type (like ZF concept) with a ratio approx at 45%.

When one wheel starts to spin, it transfers torque to the other one but that means it is never fully locked so wheels are never turning at the same speed ...when cornering of course