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The Black Plague - 21 Turbo Quadra from Hungary

Discussion in '21 turbo' started by Kondas21, Jan 14, 2015.

Discuss The Black Plague - 21 Turbo Quadra from Hungary in the 21 turbo area at TurboRenault.co.uk.

  1. r5gordini

    r5gordini Moderator

    Interesting - my idle was also very variable (mine is a ph3). However, it seems to have settled down nicely the more I have driven the car. Might have been a stick IACV. I think I should clean the IACV but I haven't got round to it yet.
    I would love to convert to Adaptronic at some point. Need to defer it a bit though!
  2. DaveL485

    DaveL485 Staff Member

    Yes mine is a Phase 3 with coil packs. Same as Dips. You don't even need a new trigger pickup now either :)

    The other advantage being that I can now retrofit a Phase 1 idle control valve if I want to, or even a new aftermarket one. My ECU will run virtually any idle control valve :D
    Tuning wise the PH3 has a slightly higher compression ratio so it actually responds better, the torque figures are excellent. Both me and @la21t@la21t have reached 240-250bhp and 270-280lb/ft on internally standard engines.

    If you're interested in the Standalone ECU setup let me know, i'll refer you. We get a wicked deal for fully fitted and mapped Adaptronic 420d ECU's.

    The only negative I have found is the fuel signal feed to the trip computer stops, and makes it flash. The level still works, and distance but the MPG calculation doesn't. Otherwise its pretty fecking ace :)
  3. Kondas21

    Kondas21 Well-Known Member

    Mine was the same in the beginning, cleaning the valve helped but in time it gradually got worse. I like what Dave is saying though.
  4. Kondas21

    Kondas21 Well-Known Member

    What if I want to change the internals (lighter rods, custom cam, uprated bearings and cylinder liners, Europa cup pistons, 804 injectors and possibly some cylinder head customization)? Would the 756 still be a better base?

    I'm definitely interested in the Ecu, if you could get a quote it would be awesome (although I don't have any £at the moment, but I expect things to pick up). I know the Ecu itself cost around £6-700.
  5. DaveL485

    DaveL485 Staff Member

    I have recent quotes, PM me when you're interested :)

    If you're modifying the engine, 752 or 756...it really doesn't matter. All I would suggest is using a later 752 or 756 with the crankcase strengthener, not an early 752 with the cast sump pan.
  6. Kondas21

    Kondas21 Well-Known Member

    I will pm you at some point.

    The engine in question is a '91 ph2 752 that has done 8000 miles or so...:allthethings:
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  7. Kondas21

    Kondas21 Well-Known Member

    At the end of February I decided to rebuild my sticky rear brakes. I ordered some seal kit from the germans (made in Spain), some heat resistant paint off eBay and a load of 5.1 brake fluid and got to work. After taking the rear left wheel off, the following greeted me: the pads were completely eaten away, and to make things worse, the powder-coating actually melted on the wheel. Also, the brake line nipple got stuck in the caliper, so had to saw it off, rendering the caliper useless (the bleed screw was bodged on it anyway). After sourcing a pair of calipers (Ollie) and some new pads (Ferodo) I started to take them apart. I was amazed by the amount of crap that deposited inside throughout the years. Anyway, after cleaning them out I started to re-assemble them, but I faced a problem: the small O-ring in the seal kit was the wrong size, so I drove to the nearest store to buy some. Turned out I could only buy a kit of 400-odd pieces, £14. Fair enough I said, that's not much, even though I only needed 2 rings and probably won't use the rest ever. Next day I had to go shopping to Lidl, and guess what: they were selling the same O-ring selection for a fiver... Cock!
    Anyway, after this the assembly was straight forward, and when finished they were back on the car in no time. I got a friend to help me bleed the system, which turned out to be easy after reading the Haynes manual :)
    Took the car for a test drive, and the brakes are better than they ever were. The next day I drove it again, and after parking I realized something worrying: the car was leaving a trail of oil behind, and it was all over the rear wheel. Turns out, the new bleed nipple we installed didn't seat properly, so in the end I had to fit the old one on that side.

    Next update when I finally get my new engine done!
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    Last edited: May 31, 2015
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  8. DaveL485

    DaveL485 Staff Member

    Still going :D great stuff!
  9. andybond

    andybond Staff Member

    It was like the end of a series and having to wait for a new series to start that wait.

    Dont do that again :)
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  10. Kondas21

    Kondas21 Well-Known Member

    Sorry about the long wait. I'm pretty much up to date with the story, I need to think if I left anything out. Plus I've got very little time on the side because of my new job...:(
  11. Kondas21

    Kondas21 Well-Known Member

    The end of an era... A new beginning
    The original plan was to drive the car back to Hungary before 21 Dec 2015, because my MOT expires (expired) by that date. Unfortunately I wasn't sure if the engine will make it. For those who didn't read the thread, the engine had unknown mileage, estimated 300000 miles. Has been rebuilt once or twice, but it got to a stage that I constantly had to top it up with water and it started to develope mayo in the cylinder head. So I asked my good friend, Oliver, what he thinks about an engine rebuild. " Don't waste your time" he said, " I'll give you another one, which is new, how does that sound? I'm like what are you on about? New engine for a 21 T? Impossible. "Not impossible" he goes. Turns out, he had a low mileage engine from '91. What did he mean by low mileage? 8000 miles!!! WTF???? Apparently some dude got it out of his car, and wanted to rebuild it as a racing engine. Never happened. The coating was still visible on the valve springs. Couldn't believe it. Of course I said yes to it, and that's how the build begun back in May 2015. IMG_1083.JPG IMG_1085.JPG IMG_1088.JPG IMG_1097.JPG IMG_1111.JPG IMG_1114.JPG IMG_1116.JPG IMG_1093.JPG
  12. Big Steve - Raider

    Big Steve - Raider Staff Member

    Greetings from Budapest (well tonight anyway!)
  13. Kondas21

    Kondas21 Well-Known Member

    Haha what are you up to, Steve?
    WATCH OUT FOR THOSE SLUTS (plenty around there:ag:)
  14. Tnt nick

    Tnt nick Well-Known Member


    Just read from the start and that was the best way I could sum up. I have no words
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  15. Kondas21

    Kondas21 Well-Known Member

    Thanks Nick. More to follow :)
  16. DaveL485

    DaveL485 Staff Member

    Fantastic! Keep going hahaha this is a great thread :D
  17. Big Steve - Raider

    Big Steve - Raider Staff Member

    Ha ha, funny you should day that @Kondas21@Kondas21, I saw plenty of girls in short skirts standing in the woods when I was driving round Budapest...

    I'm a sales manager for Eastern Europe now so i look after Hungary and all those great countries in the East.
  18. DaveL485

    DaveL485 Staff Member

    People like you are the bane of my life, cos your expenses and corporate card accounts are always an absolute disaster LOL
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  19. Big Steve - Raider

    Big Steve - Raider Staff Member

    You should see my Monthly Credit Card statement... Zloty this, Rouble that, Florint the other..
  20. Redline

    Redline Well-Known Member

    Nice job! I have one question, did you use a 21 turbo subframe or a GTX/TXE (2.0 non-turbo) one? Greetings from Slovenia
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