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Pssst Podders - Your Old TX

Discussion in 'General' started by malcolm, Jun 9, 2011.

Discuss Pssst Podders - Your Old TX in the General area at TurboRenault.co.uk.

  1. malcolm

    malcolm Well-Known Member

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    Love the way it drives - glides over potholes and has really light steering. Planning a sympathetic restoration - sorting out the rusty bits and engine trouble but repainting as little as possible. Might even leave a few dents in. The radiator cap seal went at some point and the head gasket is gone, also the timing chain is bonging (power steering puts far too much load on the poor thing) so engine will be out. Bit of angle grinding to do first.

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    There's a write up of progress so far on http://www.renault4.co.uk/r5-restoration.htm but it'll be a slow job. Sure to have a bunch of questions for you guys.
     
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  2. Mark

    Mark Well-Known Member

    Thats a great write up, I will look forward to read the rest as you progress the restor. I used to visit the R4 site, the article on machining the gordini wheel bolts was a great help. Good luck with the 5.
     
  3. malcolm

    malcolm Well-Known Member

    Should be fun the R5. I tend to get carried away with restorations so it'll be a while before it's done. Made a bit for it today

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    I love the hole that allows for torsion bar removal. As if we'd ever get one of those out. :D
     
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  4. mrdini

    mrdini Well-Known Member

    a few good wacks with a good drift and a club hammer usually does the trick from the outside on the torsion bars! good to see how they went together inside very usefull guide and really tidy job you seem to be doing.
     
  5. Mark

    Mark Well-Known Member

    I love the hole that allows for torsion bar removal. As if we'd ever get one of those out.

    I used an SDS drill on kangoo mode, loosened it a treat :D
     
  6. Andy Hemper

    Andy Hemper Well-Known Member

    Did you save the card template for the sill end section? I've got a pair of replacement sills and your fabrication is miles better than what the pattern part places churned out - ripples everywhere.

    Just thought it'd be nice if the template was scanned then saved as an image file so those contemplating (!) replacement of the sill end could download a copy, print out and fab up their own.
     
  7. jeff67

    jeff67 Well-Known Member

    Thanks for posting the link to your resto - haven't ventured under the back in detail on my car so seeing the pics and understanding what it should look like is really helpful.
     
  8. malcolm

    malcolm Well-Known Member

    I'd wondered if some sort of hammer action would help remove the torsion bars. I can borrow one of those things they use to remove concrete so will give it a go. Would make life so much easier under there without the suspension.

    I'd not looked at what parts were available - do Renault not supply replacement sills any more? Pattern parts will be crinkly as there's a load of stretch and metal forming in that pressing. I'll post the templates but it would probably be quicker to rectify the pattern bits.

    Rear section went on today. Hopefully I'll finish off that area tomorrow. That'll be 4 weekends! [​IMG]
     
  9. sparkie

    sparkie Well-Known Member

    use a trolley jack handle and a 6lb club hammer.
    soak with penetrating oil for 1 day though.
    jack handle down the hole in the sill, and hammer away until it pops out.
     
  10. malcolm

    malcolm Well-Known Member

    Tried a club hammer and big bar and a great deal of soaking but those torsion bar dudes aren't having any of it. Probably not a big problem - finished that side and the other side isn't so bad.

    Thanks for the photo Jeff - I've added that on to the paint code page.

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    Next up - the damper tower. It's poor sealing that causes that. The other side was sealed by some other guy who took more pride in his work.

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  11. jeff67

    jeff67 Well-Known Member

    No probs Malcolm. Interesting that your 5 suffers exactly the same rust on the n/s inner rear wing as mine, and my o/s is fine too. Maybe it was some "it'll do johnny" who was in charge of that bit. I know these cars were never meant to last this long, but it seems a shame given the design and construction was so far ahead of time, barring the odd gremlin.
     
  12. malcolm

    malcolm Well-Known Member

    It might just be that the front of the left hand arch was difficult to get into to seal for a right handed person. They wouldn't have been able to see what they were doing behind the flange.

    Angle grinding is the answer.

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  13. malcolm

    malcolm Well-Known Member

    Turns out the repair isn't as much hassle as it looks. everything is nice and accessible and the curve on the panel makes it easy to fit new metal.

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    In a rather sad amount of detail on http://www.renault4.co.uk/r5-damper-tower.htm
     
  14. mrdini

    mrdini Well-Known Member

    nice work again, will you be doing any headlight panel repairs? im planning to start trying my arm at making some repair section for the problem areas on my 5, it good to see yours coming along, do you use bare steel plate or is it treated in some way? on paul bakers website i see he mentioned he only uses a certain coated steel! i didnt write it down and i couldnt find it again.
     
  15. malcolm

    malcolm Well-Known Member

    The sheet is zintec coated. It's a thin electroplated zinc coating which unlike galvanised sheet can be welded, though ideally you would clean off the coating where it is going to be welded. The main benefit over plain sheet is it can be stored for years without surface rust developing.

    I think the headlight panel is OK on my car, though I've not taken the RHS wing off yet so might yet find dragons. Planning to sort out the dragons on the LHS of the car first - found another one yesterday.

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  16. phildini

    phildini Well-Known Member

    Normal usual areas for a mk1 5 8) Good work and well done on the panels fabrication.. I am following the resto on your site :wink:
     
  17. malcolm

    malcolm Well-Known Member

    I've noticed most of the annoying bits of rust are to do with mud traps in the wheelarches. Has anyone ever made wheelarch liners for the MK1 R5?

    Put together a set for the R4 which seem quite effective so far. Might try making a set for the 5 if they aren't already available.

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    Mud one side, clean the other:
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  18. phildini

    phildini Well-Known Member

    Yes with filler :lol: Mr Dini loves filler :lol:
     
  19. mrdini

    mrdini Well-Known Member

    lol @ phillerdini,,,,,,,,, malcolm , as far as im aware they have never been available, those look tidy on the four! i seen the work you done on the four also online,,,, ive been thinking along those lines lately as i have a pair of complete rear wings that need fitting and the thought of having them done only to start sucking up the crud and starting to rust all over again isnt great,,i would be interested in a pair if the price was right! they would need to be very thin on the arch lip so not to clash with tyres on lower cars!
     
  20. malcolm

    malcolm Well-Known Member

    I reckon I'll go for wheelarch liners. Where there's a will there's a way.

    Back from a holiday in France that took in the 50th anniversary meeting of the Renault 4. Not a lot of R5 stuff going on though there was a nice restored Alpine, a restored early one and the Renault Collection Turbo 2. Looks like the French are valuing their MK1s - there's a 40th Anniversary of the R5 meeting planned.

    Was surprised how cheap Renault 4 Rodeos were. I've always fancied one but thought they were expensive. I've got one now - it's coming back in September so I'll need to get a move on with the R5.

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    Back home I completely forgot what the front of the sill looked like before I hacked it apart so the repair was based on guesswork. It's not 100% original under there now but at least it is a bit more solid.

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    Welding on the LHS of the car is almost finished now. Just a couple more bits in the rear wheelarch and rear chassis rails and I can repeat the whole thing on the other side (which isn't quite as bad).
     
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