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Clio 182 Supercharger Project

Discussion in 'Clio' started by Ricardo, Mar 15, 2014.

Discuss Clio 182 Supercharger Project in the Clio area at TurboRenault.co.uk.

  1. Ricardo

    Ricardo Well-Known Member

    Just found this photo on the EFI Facebook page, funny to think it will be back on the same rollers next weekend

    farm9.staticflickr.com_8590_16154518708_85cdef082c_b.jpg EFIrollers by Ricard o1, on Flickr
     
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  2. Ricardo

    Ricardo Well-Known Member

    Spoke to the chap working on the Clio and he's going to fit an aux belt 5mm shorter. Apparently there's not much tension on the spring so a smaller aux will be fitted
     
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  3. Ricardo

    Ricardo Well-Known Member

    Another phone call to say the timing is indeed out, its retarded on the exhaust side so he's going to sort it as well as fitting the aux belt. Glad I had it checked now.
     
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  4. Ricardo

    Ricardo Well-Known Member

  5. andybond

    andybond Staff Member

    What am I looking at here mate ? Locking tool for the timing ?
     
  6. Ricardo

    Ricardo Well-Known Member

    Yep the horse shoe locking tool for the cams, not sucking eggs but the cams are both supposed to sit horizontal for the tool to fit in place. This shows the timing to be out as the tool is in the right hand side cam but slightly out of timing stopping it to slot in the left cam.

    Belts and braces, I'm glad I had it checked now before the mapping. It's also having an oil and filter change and the top engine mount bracket swapped along with the smaller aux belt.
     
  7. Ricardo

    Ricardo Well-Known Member

    Just ordered this from Ebay and should be arriving Wednesday latest
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  8. Ricardo

    Ricardo Well-Known Member

  9. DaveL485

    DaveL485 Staff Member

    Oh! Crap....looks like the proper tool so we'll assume the crank is locked in the right place too. Thats just a bit wrong innit! Lucky you're not getting interference there.
     
  10. Ricardo

    Ricardo Well-Known Member

    Glad I had it checked now, I e mailed Scoff and he's told me to drive it part throttle up to his. I'm hoping now the cam timing is correct it hasn't thrown the map out too much
     
  11. Ricardo

    Ricardo Well-Known Member

    The Clio is now back after a week of having a few bits done in preparation for the trip up to EFI Parts at Scoffs.

    Cam timing was out when fitted which I find a bit strange but there we go
    Lower cambelt cover was broken and left the belts open to the elements I.e a stone flicking up and taking the aux belt out
    Upper cambelt cover also has the top engine mount bolt into it, all the threads were pretty much stripped out.
    Lambda was changed so Scoff can remap this time with a working lambda
    PAS fluid was low
    Oil was black after 3k so changed and the filter
    Compression was good, between 190 and 200psi across the 4
    Aux belt was 6PK1973, this length was recommended by K Tec as used on their supercharger kit. There was no tension on the spring so a new shorter aux belt was fitted.

    Cam timing with new seals
    Compression test
    New lower cambelt cover
    Upper metal cambelt cover, threads pretty much stripped out that the engine mount bolts to
    Oil and filter change
    Lambda sensor change
    PAS fluid top up
    New 8mm shorter aux belt
     
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  12. gtmatt

    gtmatt Well-Known Member

  13. DaveL485

    DaveL485 Staff Member

    So lucky getting away with that timing mate, the pistons must have been sniffing the valves every rotation! Compression is good though so looks like a very lucky escape.
     
  14. Ricardo

    Ricardo Well-Known Member

    Yeah he did say it was probably close! It did feel good driving it back but had to resist the temptation of going full throttle on the dual carriageways. Even so it seems to drive quite nicely, now we'll see how it fairs on the rollers this Sunday.
     
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  15. Adey

    Adey Staff Member

    if the timing had slipped a little it could explain the difference since mapping to now?
     
  16. Ricardo

    Ricardo Well-Known Member

    The mechanic reckons the timing was wrong when the belt was fitted so it was mapped with the timing out.

    When it was first mapped it peaked at 256hp but after constant power runs it would tail off to mid 240s. By the time it went on at Surrey RR it was 232hp with fuelling supposedly running rich.

    It's been weeks in the making but Sunday can't come quick enough to finally have it all checked out and remapped, I'm even thinking of swapping to the next sixe up restrictor for more power if possible. Being blunt I want that mid 250s or even 260hp
     
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  17. Tnt nick

    Tnt nick Well-Known Member

    Who did the cam belt?
    Just remember talk somewhere of cams being timed up incorrectly to change the power/torque delivery. Thinking it may be a deliberate 'out' rather than a mistake. Is that possible?

    Understandable if you'd rather not say, things like this can ruin reputations and obviously need sorting behind the scenes.

    Main thing is the car is running better and you're feeling positive about it (y)
     
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  18. andybond

    andybond Staff Member

    I have seen a car that was done a KTEC and was timed incorrectly ..
     
  19. Ricardo

    Ricardo Well-Known Member

    Road trip weekender to EFI Parts in Runcorn:
    Saturday: Southend to Swindon 144 miles
    Sunday: Swindon to Runcorn 159 miles
    Sunday: Runcorn to Southend 232 miles
    Total weekend miles: 535

    So, D Day looming Sunday 1st Feb and the drive to Runcorn. I decide to break up the trip by heading west first to Swindon to visit friends, this also gave me the opportunity to fit the new Jetex air filter. It's much bigger in diameter but luckily still fits in the same space we have when the foam Ramair filter is taken out.
    farm8.staticflickr.com_7362_16235834998_ce07b7798e_b.jpg . by Ricard o1, on Flickr
    farm9.staticflickr.com_8574_16236084510_f01e7f8ffa_b.jpg IMG_2031 by Ricard o1, on Flickr
    Comparison between the two
    farm8.staticflickr.com_7297_16397507436_ba58c270d3_b.jpg . by Ricard o1, on Flickr
    farm9.staticflickr.com_8597_16397506836_a7717aa859_b.jpg . by Ricard o1, on Flickr

    I leave Swindon just after 7am and arrive at EFI Parts just after 10 am the Sunday morning, I find a Shell petrol station just beforehand and brim with lovely Shell V Power so there's no shortage of juice while on the rollers.
    farm8.staticflickr.com_7366_16422545992_f03603ca08_b.jpg . by Ricard o1, on Flickr

    Looking a bit dirty after 300 miles of sleet, rain and snowy driving conditions but I love how it looks
    farm9.staticflickr.com_8677_16397505776_321b99149c_b.jpg . by Ricard o1, on Flickr

    EFI are holding a RR day, they power run 27 cars in the end and finish about 5.30pm. I had to go on last so yes it was a long wait but wow was it worth it. The cam timing has made a difference in how it performs, it's given more power and torque mid range sacrificing a little on top end but I'm much happier having a stronger mid range in power and torque. The first run proves right, running rich and a power figure similar to Surrey at 237bhp.
    farm9.staticflickr.com_8614_16236081710_09e45f8d72_b.jpg . by Ricard o1, on Flickr

    So fettling with the map and more power runs it's getting better on the bhp and torque to give an end figure of:
    farm9.staticflickr.com_8649_15803436543_548546f9df_b.jpg . by Ricard o1, on Flickr

    So from the second session we've gone from 237bhp to 262bhp, a 25hp gain
    From it's initial first ever map to the new map power has increased from 256bhp to 262bhp, a gain of 6bhp
    The big increase is in torque, it's gained 14 ft/lbs torque from 206 to 220 which is what I'm pretty happy about.

    It's all done by about 7.30pm, I say my thank you's and goodbyes and drive the 232 miles back home to Southend. With a stop I'm back home by midnight...... Very tired, but oh boy one happy person. I have a couple of videos but don't know where I can put them... I think I have a Youtube account I'll have a check.
     
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  20. DaveL485

    DaveL485 Staff Member

    I would equally like:

    -To experience this car, because its awesome and I bet it shifts like a fecking bullet
    -To not experience this car, because if I do, I will unquestionably develop an irresistible desire to have one....and I already have the car in NA form.
     
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