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21 Turbo Quadra joins Renault 5 stable!

Discussion in '21 turbo' started by r5gordini, Nov 25, 2014.

Discuss 21 Turbo Quadra joins Renault 5 stable! in the 21 turbo area at TurboRenault.co.uk.

  1. DaveL485

    DaveL485 Staff Member

    I'd say its worth trying changing it out at least. Make sure the target is clean and not damaged. Check for play in the wheel bearing too.
     
  2. r5gordini

    r5gordini Moderator

    Yep - agreed. Target looks fine but I haven't rotated the hub once to check fully. I will check the wheel bearing later.
    In other news - I absolutely demolished an Audi A6 last night. Although I think it was only the 1.9TDI or whatever so not that great an achievement. It's not often that I get a race from the lights but this guy was up for it - he pulled away slightly faster (I didn't want to unduly stress my clutch) and then I was off!
     
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  3. DaveL485

    DaveL485 Staff Member

    Any win at the traffic light derby is a good win.



    ...unless its a copper, then probably not.
     
  4. Big Steve - Raider

    Big Steve - Raider Staff Member

    Yes that looks loads better with the badges on @r5gordini@r5gordini! and I think to finish it off, you should give that tow-bar a tickle with an angle grinder and get it off! :)
     
  5. Lewis

    Lewis Well-Known Member

    Whats the sensor resistance? ~1200Ohms rings a bell.

    If you have a scope you can always watch the waveform as you rotate the wheel.
     
  6. r5gordini

    r5gordini Moderator

    All good suggestions! Actually I quite fancy towing with the Quadra! I imagine a camping holiday somewhere, towing a camping trailer ;-)
    I have just tried (and failed - broke it) to remove the ABS sensor from the spare trailing arm I have. :help.gif:
    And they are not available from Renault any more. I am trying a few avenues so all is not lost.
     
  7. Lewis

    Lewis Well-Known Member

    I think similar sensors were used on some Ford models that had the Teves ABS system. Perhaps the Granada?
    Cable length may be an issue though.
     
  8. lzv8q

    lzv8q Member

    I have nothing against it.
     
  9. r5gordini

    r5gordini Moderator

  10. DaveL485

    DaveL485 Staff Member

    Nope. Not compatible by all accounts.
     
  11. DaveL485

    DaveL485 Staff Member

    A 2wd one will work, in fact a front one would work on the back, however the securing screw hole is angled differently. You'd have to goop it in place lol
     
  12. r5gordini

    r5gordini Moderator

    I've got loads of front ones! I'll see if I can adapt something but I am trying all sorts of angles at the moment. Shame the Ford one is not compatible but I am glad I didn't order one to try then!
     
  13. r5gordini

    r5gordini Moderator

    Right! Today's update. Short and sweet. Definitely sweeeet! The ABS works perfectly! Cleaning the right rear sensor must have solved the issue. However, I am still trying to get a spare if I can because I know it's been damaged (dented).
    I have done several high speed stops in the rain and everything is working as it should. To say I am delighted is an understatement. Finally beginning to properly enjoy this car!
     
  14. DaveL485

    DaveL485 Staff Member

    Cool....might even inspire me to fix mine throwing its arse out over 80mph lol
     
  15. r5gordini

    r5gordini Moderator

    Do it! It's a huge relief to have it working again.
     
  16. la21t

    la21t Well-Known Member

    Nah seat of your pants braking is where its at.......create your own ABS by constantly dabbing the pedal :grin.gif:
     
  17. DaveL485

    DaveL485 Staff Member

    To be fair once my tyres are warm and brakes get hot i'm more worried about stopping my eyeballs falling out when I hit the stop-pedal lol. Glad I have a 4-point harness anyway!
     
  18. r5gordini

    r5gordini Moderator

    Very good!
    Right! An update from me... No photos at the moment, but I will get some up asap. Sorry for the wordage, but I hope it's interesting reading:
    I was driving the car fairly spiritedly along some of my local back roads and loving it - it's still taking me some time to gain confidence with the car and explore its performance and handling properly. After my earlier "off" I am trying to treat the car with a bit more respect, but also trying to see what it is capable of without scaring myself silly! Anyway, one time I accelerated there was a pop and psshhttt.... noise! Followed by no/little boost but the sound of escaping air. Oh well! I'd obviously blown an intercooler or boost pipe or something! I took a look but couldn't see anything, so proceeded back home.
    Good excuse to fit the slimline fans and FMIC I had lying around that I'd bought from @la21t@la21t, but I did have a proper look to see if I could see anything amiss! Nope, but I did see a small pool of coolant under the car, but it wasn't losing enough to be a major concern.
    I tried checking the intercoolers and changed a pipe but that didn't fix the issue, so decided to bite the bullet and fit the FMIC!
    I fitted the slimline Pacet fans - they went on easily enough. One had the original connector on it, but the other didn't have anything on it, so I soldered and heat-shrinked it on! It was at that point that I noticed that there was a fan earth that was missing, so rectified that, to discover that it made both fans spin faster, and one faster than the other - I am not sure if that's correct - not quite sure how they should come on? Anyway, they seem to be independently controlled, and the relays don't engage/disengage at exactly the same time. I also noticed that while idling, the fans only come on for a second or two then go off almost immediately. I also found that before the additional earth was fixed, they would only work at all if they were both wired in - one was obviously earthing "through" the other.
    So that being done, I went about fitting the FMIC. I had to buy a load of silicone hoses, reducers, bends, joiners, etc... I did the best I could but realise that it's a bit sub-optimal as the angles and lengths are a bit difficult to get exactly right, but I decided just to buy what I could to get it working and then optimise it later.
    It was as I was dismantling everything and trial fitting things that I discovered that the original flexi-boost hose that goes to the intake plenum was the part that had failed. It had a big gash in it where it had split under one of the plastic rings! Luckily I have a spare and used it to fit the FMIC as I found it would juuust push on the outlet from the FMIC.
    I also cheated and bought a long flexi hose for the air filter and bought a cheap cone-type filter. Easiest way to just get going.
    Anyway, I fitted everything up and got it plumbed in. I don't have a proper breather yet - just put the pipe next to the air filter. Want to fix that later. I have a spare brand-new oil catch tank so will be using that at some point!
    Then came the joy of fitting the bumper! My bumper is a bit knackered anyway so I didn't feel too bad about chopping it a bit - I had to "clearance" it a bit around the bottom edge and the fog light housings but I did kind of get it on. It entailed a lot of faffing around with the mounting brackets (I got some metal brackets from an earlier car - they seem much better than the Ph3 plastic jobbies!
    I even got my daughter to lean against the bumper to push it home. Thank you to my kindly 9-year old girl ;-)
    Time to go for a drive! And yes, I have told my insurance company about the mods! Interestingly, they didn't ask for any more money at all. And, they only charged me an extra £10 to double my annual mileage allowance from 3000 to 6000.
    Took the kids with me as I needed to take them somewhere. The car really did feel more responsive and definitely faster. I also like the noises! There's more turbo whistle, and also there are some nice noises when I lift off the throttle. There's no dump valve fitted and in retrospect I think the VAG one I had fitted before wasn't working properly - probably too hard a spring, but I digress.
    We'd gone about 10 miles and I was just accelerating up a long hill and there was another psshhtttt noise followed by total lack of boost! Ooops! Obviously blown a hose off! That was interesting. I could hear the turbo whistling away but I didn't want to push the car for fear of overspeeding the turbo, since the wastegate would never have opened. Is that a risk? I don't know. So I carefully got to the top of the hill, and coasted down the next. I was able to get to a Halfords pretty easily, so I popped in and bought some spanners after seeing which clamp had blown. I didn't have any tools with me at the time!
    I fixed it back on and continued on my way. Lovely!
    Because I was in a hurry to get going, I didn't bother fitting the nose cone and my left-indicator wasn't secured properly (the spring retainer is broken), and it fell out on the motorway! Luckily still attached by the wiring, so I didn't lose it. And the bumper wasn't well attached at all, so it dropped! I need to fit captive nuts onto the metal brackets as they were threaded, but I don't think the thread is good enough/deep enough, so I think the bolts were pulling through.
    While I was at the job, I saw that the hoses around the right-hand side of the engine were the cause of the coolant leak(s)! They hadn't been done up tightly enough, so I re-seated them, which seems to have cured the leaks.
    I also found that the metal retaining clip thing for the plug for the IACV was missing, so I fitted one I had previously dropped on the floor while fixing the GTT and didn't think I needed(!) as it was from a broken anti-perc fan connector. I also noticed that the plug for the coolant temperature sensor was half broken, so I ordered a couple of new AMP plugs from our friend Scoff at http://www.efi-parts.co.uk/
    I can see me getting him to fit an Adaptronic ECU at some point - can't wait!

    Next to-do:
    1. Remove the bumper - cut out a bit more of the fog light housings and generally get it to fit a bit better
    2. Buy and fit some mesh to cover the cut-outs for the fogs. Who needs front fogs anyway??
    3. Once I am happy with the fit of the bumper, modify and fit the new bumper as shortly to be supplied by Oliver (he is spraying it for me)
    4. Fit the new coolant sensor plug
    5. Fit the oil catch tank and plumb in the return from it to the air intake just aft of the air filter
    6. Optimise the boost piping and tidy it up a bit. Fix the air filter to something - anything! It's just floating right now
    7. Fit the new turbo I have on order from @DaveL485@DaveL485 - can't wait, but I will need a new downpipe - there's a place fairly local to me that will do it, I think
    8. I want to fit one of these (or similar) as I find the Scorpion exhaust too quiet sometimes, but want the quietness for cruising: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2-5-Elect...787?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item259aa1531b - should I still have one silencer in line before it, or should I go for the no silencer at all effect??
    9. Fix the central locking for the boot
    10. Get the front driver's wing straightened at the bottom and fitted properly
    11. Spray driver's inner wing red inside the engine bay
    12. Fit the driver's wheelarch guard. Have new clips ready
    13. Put the steering wheel on straight! It's not been straight since the tracking was done
    14. Fix some of the interior rattles
    15. Drive the bloomin' thing!
     
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  19. andybond

    andybond Staff Member

    You know what you need @r5gordini@r5gordini - a track day to discover the limits.

    If there only was one in August ..
     
  20. r5gordini

    r5gordini Moderator

    Ha hah.... Yes, I wish I could come! I can't make it unfortunately.
     
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